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Santa Cruz Homeless Update - Courthouse Protesters Sentenced - Background Interview with Oligarch
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me
2011-06-12 22:02:26 UTC
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There has been a protest in front of the Santa Cruz county courthouse
called Peace Camp 2010 to end the Santa Cruz sleeping ban.

A few days ago, two of the protesters were sentenced to 6 months in
jail.

Reports can be found at
http://beckyjohnsononewomantalking.blogspot.com and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/huffsantacruz

See also the comments at the University of California Santa Cruz
student newspaper
http://www.cityonahillpress.com/2011/05/05/county-shouldnt-punish-civic-activists/

Below is an excerpt from the radio program Bathrobespierre's
Braodsides on Santa Cruz Pirate Radio http://www.freakradio.com

Radio Interview and Debate between:

Robert Norse, Radio host, against the sleeping ban
Edwin Frey, Attorney and Santa Cruz Peace Camp Protester, against the
sleeping ban
Mike Rotkin, (former) Mayor of Santa Cruz and University of California
Santa Cruz, in favor of the sleeping ban
Linda Lemaster, Santa Cruz Activist, against the sleeping ban
Chris the Curb Hugger, against the sleeping ban
Miguel Balderos, Jail Inmate, on telephone, against the sleeping ban

July 11, 2010

http://www.radiolibre.org/brb/brb100711.mp3

Excerpt edited for clarity, relevancy. If in doubt please read it
while listening to it. Some words inaudible, omitted.

Excerpt starting at 3:31:49 on the internet player's progress bar:

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Norse: Excuse me Linda, I have to interrupt. I have a phone call
from Miguel Balderos who is accused of setting fire to the City
Attorney's office. Miguel, do you have a question for the Mayor or a
comment on this case?

Balderos: You got that (adjective inaudible) liberal on, that
oppressor who has indirectly caused the death of God knows how many
people, right? ....Yeah, I'll be glad when all those oligarchy will
get out of power..

Norse: (questions, intro)

Yeah, sleep is not a crime, it is a right. It is a right and not a
privilege written by yuppies. I know where Mike Rotkin lives, if I
wanted to I could have fire bombed his house. He's got a place to
sleep and he's trying to criminalize people who are trying to sleep.
Sleep deprivation makes people do crazy shit. It's like a mental
disorder, they go crazy. (It makes them) do drugs and alcohol (if
they already do them). You do sanctuaries for animals - even a rat
has a fuckin' hole to go into, but human beings are being treated less
than animals, so what do you think about that?

(I've been homeless for) 4 years. I didn't even know Mike Rotkin was
going to be on the air because I'm in a complete blackout in jail. If
I knew I wouldn't even call because I really loathe the man, I mean
he's - really - an enemy of the people, an oppressor, in the same
category as Bush and Dick Cheney and he should be lined up against the
wall and shot. I know someone who died at his hands, Billy, of
hypothermia, because the sleeping ban does not allow you to put a
blanket over you. Women are getting raped because they have to go
further and further away in the bushes to avoid the special fucking
Gestapo to avoid a ticket so they don't have to go to jail. And then
there are people who get eaten by mountain lions in the hills - you
don't know the whole story of the whole thing.. Fuck the police. Fuck
the police state. Fuck Mike Rotkin in the city hall too.

(cut off by Norse, phone call ends)

Norse: So we have strong opinions, and I'm trying to represent
everyone on the show...to give everyone a voice here We have a Peace
Camp here, we have a War Camp over there,

Rotkin (to Norse): Do you think that fire bombing things is a good way
to express your opinion?

Norse: Do I? No, that is generally not my chosen venue of approach.

Rotkin: But with you it is ok if other people do it, right? I'm
putting you on the spot here Robert. Is it ok for other people to
express their opinions by blowing stuff up, threatening my house...

Norse: No, I don't. But I understand the passion that is behind that
kind of statement. I understand the reason he is pissed at you.

Rotkin: So you're going to justify it right now.

Norse: Justify it?

Rotkin: I'm just waiting, Robert. I want to know where you stand on
this issue. I've got you on the spot now, Robert..

Norse: No, I don't think so..

Rotkin: Do you think that this is good for your cause when people do
that kind of stuff...

Norse: C'mon Mike, what do you think..

Rotkin: I DON'T KNOW, ROBERT... You haven't told me what you think...

Norse: I did. I already said so. Obviously, fire bombing your
house would produce more sympathy (for you), and also I wouldn't like
to see your house fire bombed, I kinda like you as a person. However,
I understand why people get pissed about these issues. And I think
you do too. Frankly, people are sleep deprived so c'mon.

(silence, several seconds)

Lemaster: I think the "sleep deprived" only gets across as well as it
can on the radio. It gets more dramatic when there's a cop with a BIG
BRIGHT LIGHT waking you up and expecting you to be coherent before you
know what's going on...

Norse: And it becomes worse when you give reasonable proposals to the
mayor...

snip

Frey: I just want to make it clear that it is my position that the
city council ought to recognize the fact that they are sending the
police out to breach the peace, and to accost homeless people who are
not breaking the law. They are not guilty, yet the police are waking
them up and making them go through this dance at the courthouse, then
this dance to the Homeless Service Center, and then back to the
courthouse when they have no means of transportation, they have no
time since they're supposed to be looking for work - so you're
punishing these people before the judge, before the court and all its
majesty says "Not Guilty". If they're not guilty, Mike, then call off
the cops, damn it. What's so hard to understand about that?

snip
spamtrap1888
2011-06-12 22:19:51 UTC
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Post by me
There has been a protest in front of the Santa Cruz county courthouse
called Peace Camp 2010 to end the Santa Cruz sleeping ban.
A few days ago, two of the protesters were sentenced to 6 months in
jail.
Protest the ban on sleeping by sleeping? Isn't that like protesting
the death penalty by killing people?
Post by me
Reports can be found athttp://beckyjohnsononewomantalking.blogspot.comandhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/huffsantacruz
See also the comments at the University of California Santa Cruz
student newspaperhttp://www.cityonahillpress.com/2011/05/05/county-shouldnt-punish-civ...
Let the homeless sleep on the campus of UC Santa Cruz. Win-win!
Post by me
Below is an excerpt from the radio program Bathrobespierre's
Braodsides on Santa Cruz Pirate Radiohttp://www.freakradio.com
"freakradio"? If KSCO can give Jacques Delacroix a forum for two hours
every week, surely they can provide one for the Great Unwashed.
Post by me
Robert Norse, Radio host, against the sleeping ban
Edwin Frey, Attorney and Santa Cruz Peace Camp Protester, against the
sleeping ban
Mike Rotkin, (former) Mayor of Santa Cruz and University of California
Santa Cruz, in favor of the sleeping ban
Linda Lemaster, Santa Cruz Activist, against the sleeping ban
Chris the Curb Hugger, against the sleeping ban
Miguel Balderos, Jail Inmate, on telephone, against the sleeping ban
July 11, 2010
http://www.radiolibre.org/brb/brb100711.mp3
Excerpt edited for clarity, relevancy.  If in doubt please read it
while listening to it.  Some words inaudible, omitted.
-------------
Norse:  Excuse me Linda, I have to interrupt.  I have a phone call
from Miguel Balderos who is accused of setting fire to the City
Attorney's office.  Miguel, do you have a question for the Mayor or a
comment on this case?
Balderos: You got that (adjective inaudible) liberal on, that
oppressor who has indirectly caused the death of God knows how many
people, right? ....Yeah, I'll be glad when all those oligarchy will
get out of power..
Norse: (questions, intro)
Yeah, sleep is not a crime, it is a right.  It is a right and not a
privilege written by yuppies.  I know where Mike Rotkin lives, if I
wanted to I could have fire bombed his house.  He's got a place to
sleep and he's trying to criminalize people who are trying to sleep.
Santa Cruz already contains far too many people to be sustainable --
the current hubbub over building the desalinization plant makes that
clear. Threatening to cause local government to use mass quantities of
precious potable water is completely irresponsible. The first step in
thinking globally and acting locally should be to relocate the
homeless to Minnesota -- the land of 10,000 lakes.
Bill Graham
2011-06-12 22:32:00 UTC
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Post by me
There has been a protest in front of the Santa Cruz county courthouse
called Peace Camp 2010 to end the Santa Cruz sleeping ban.
A few days ago, two of the protesters were sentenced to 6 months in
jail.
Reports can be found at
http://beckyjohnsononewomantalking.blogspot.com and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/huffsantacruz
See also the comments at the University of California Santa Cruz
student newspaper
http://www.cityonahillpress.com/2011/05/05/county-shouldnt-punish-civic-activists/
Below is an excerpt from the radio program Bathrobespierre's
Braodsides on Santa Cruz Pirate Radio http://www.freakradio.com
Robert Norse, Radio host, against the sleeping ban
Edwin Frey, Attorney and Santa Cruz Peace Camp Protester, against the
sleeping ban
Mike Rotkin, (former) Mayor of Santa Cruz and University of California
Santa Cruz, in favor of the sleeping ban
Linda Lemaster, Santa Cruz Activist, against the sleeping ban
Chris the Curb Hugger, against the sleeping ban
Miguel Balderos, Jail Inmate, on telephone, against the sleeping ban
July 11, 2010
http://www.radiolibre.org/brb/brb100711.mp3
Excerpt edited for clarity, relevancy. If in doubt please read it
while listening to it. Some words inaudible, omitted.
-------------
Norse: Excuse me Linda, I have to interrupt. I have a phone call
from Miguel Balderos who is accused of setting fire to the City
Attorney's office. Miguel, do you have a question for the Mayor or a
comment on this case?
Balderos: You got that (adjective inaudible) liberal on, that
oppressor who has indirectly caused the death of God knows how many
people, right? ....Yeah, I'll be glad when all those oligarchy will
get out of power..
Norse: (questions, intro)
Yeah, sleep is not a crime, it is a right. It is a right and not a
privilege written by yuppies. I know where Mike Rotkin lives, if I
wanted to I could have fire bombed his house. He's got a place to
sleep and he's trying to criminalize people who are trying to sleep.
Sleep deprivation makes people do crazy shit. It's like a mental
disorder, they go crazy. (It makes them) do drugs and alcohol (if
they already do them). You do sanctuaries for animals - even a rat
has a fuckin' hole to go into, but human beings are being treated less
than animals, so what do you think about that?
(I've been homeless for) 4 years. I didn't even know Mike Rotkin was
going to be on the air because I'm in a complete blackout in jail. If
I knew I wouldn't even call because I really loathe the man, I mean
he's - really - an enemy of the people, an oppressor, in the same
category as Bush and Dick Cheney and he should be lined up against the
wall and shot. I know someone who died at his hands, Billy, of
hypothermia, because the sleeping ban does not allow you to put a
blanket over you. Women are getting raped because they have to go
further and further away in the bushes to avoid the special fucking
Gestapo to avoid a ticket so they don't have to go to jail. And then
there are people who get eaten by mountain lions in the hills - you
don't know the whole story of the whole thing.. Fuck the police. Fuck
the police state. Fuck Mike Rotkin in the city hall too.
(cut off by Norse, phone call ends)
Norse: So we have strong opinions, and I'm trying to represent
everyone on the show...to give everyone a voice here We have a Peace
Camp here, we have a War Camp over there,
Rotkin (to Norse): Do you think that fire bombing things is a good way
to express your opinion?
Norse: Do I? No, that is generally not my chosen venue of approach.
Rotkin: But with you it is ok if other people do it, right? I'm
putting you on the spot here Robert. Is it ok for other people to
express their opinions by blowing stuff up, threatening my house...
Norse: No, I don't. But I understand the passion that is behind that
kind of statement. I understand the reason he is pissed at you.
Rotkin: So you're going to justify it right now.
Norse: Justify it?
Rotkin: I'm just waiting, Robert. I want to know where you stand on
this issue. I've got you on the spot now, Robert..
Norse: No, I don't think so..
Rotkin: Do you think that this is good for your cause when people do
that kind of stuff...
Norse: C'mon Mike, what do you think..
Rotkin: I DON'T KNOW, ROBERT... You haven't told me what you think...
Norse: I did. I already said so. Obviously, fire bombing your
house would produce more sympathy (for you), and also I wouldn't like
to see your house fire bombed, I kinda like you as a person. However,
I understand why people get pissed about these issues. And I think
you do too. Frankly, people are sleep deprived so c'mon.
(silence, several seconds)
Lemaster: I think the "sleep deprived" only gets across as well as it
can on the radio. It gets more dramatic when there's a cop with a BIG
BRIGHT LIGHT waking you up and expecting you to be coherent before you
know what's going on...
Norse: And it becomes worse when you give reasonable proposals to the
mayor...
snip
Frey: I just want to make it clear that it is my position that the
city council ought to recognize the fact that they are sending the
police out to breach the peace, and to accost homeless people who are
not breaking the law. They are not guilty, yet the police are waking
them up and making them go through this dance at the courthouse, then
this dance to the Homeless Service Center, and then back to the
courthouse when they have no means of transportation, they have no
time since they're supposed to be looking for work - so you're
punishing these people before the judge, before the court and all its
majesty says "Not Guilty". If they're not guilty, Mike, then call off
the cops, damn it. What's so hard to understand about that?
snip
Go to the Sant Cruz County website. You will find that there is no way to
email any of them. This is the far larger problem. They can make whatever
unconstitutional ordinances and laws they want, and you can't even advise
them of the error of their ways. They obviously think of themselves as Gods
who are above the people. (Who are actually their employers) But isn't this
par for the course in California? The liberal government there hasn't even
read the constitution, and hasn't a clue what its all about. This is why I
left that state immediately upon my retirement. I retired from there in
August of 1996 and moved into my home here in Oregon by December of that
same year. By the time the liberals trash this state, I will (thankfully) be
dead.
FEMA Inmate 520-11-1067R
2011-06-13 00:08:49 UTC
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Post by Bill Graham
Go to the Sant Cruz County website. You will find that there is no way to
email any of them. This is the far larger problem. They can make whatever
unconstitutional ordinances and laws they want, and you can't even advise
them of the error of their ways.
The best way to communicate with an elected representative is to send a
letter via the US mail or deliver it to their office in person. The reason
legislators and council members no longer have email is because of the
amount of spam and email from k00ks that fill there email inbox everyday.
--
Si vis pacem, para bellum (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
Bill Graham
2011-06-13 00:54:42 UTC
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Post by FEMA Inmate 520-11-1067R
Post by Bill Graham
Go to the Sant Cruz County website. You will find that there is no
way to email any of them. This is the far larger problem. They can
make whatever unconstitutional ordinances and laws they want, and
you can't even advise them of the error of their ways.
The best way to communicate with an elected representative is to send
a letter via the US mail or deliver it to their office in person. The
reason legislators and council members no longer have email is
because of the amount of spam and email from k00ks that fill there
email inbox everyday. I hear this all the time, but I get my share of
spam too, and it is no problem to delete it and concentrate on the real
messages. Our elected reps get more than enough money and expense accounts
to hire secretaries to filter all that junk. That is what we pay them for.
they should be responsive to the messasges from their constituents. E-mail
was invented to make it easier to communicate, and it does, but only if
people are willing to use it. Besides, writing a "real letter" doesn't
work either. I have written three times to the Social Security public
relations address, and they have yet to answer any of my letters. Most of
their correspondents are old people, and they have found out that if they
are slow enough in responding, they will conveniently die and thus go
away.....This is the face of, "Your Government in Action."
Jeff Liebermann
2011-06-13 03:46:27 UTC
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Post by Bill Graham
Go to the Sant Cruz County website. You will find that there is no way to
email any of them.
The email addresses are on the individual supervisors web pages. For
your convenience:

District Supervisor Email
1 John Leopold ***@co.santa-cruz.ca.us
2 Ellen Pirie ***@co.santa-cruz.ca.us
3 Neil Coonerty ***@co.santa-cruz.ca.us
4 Greg Caput ***@co.santa-cruz.ca.us
5 Mark Stone ***@co.santa-cruz.ca.us
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Steve Daniels
2011-06-13 00:08:12 UTC
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On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:02:26 -0700 (PDT), against all advice,
Post by me
There has been a protest in front of the Santa Cruz county courthouse
called Peace Camp 2010 to end the Santa Cruz sleeping ban.
A few days ago, two of the protesters were sentenced to 6 months in
jail.
On the other hand, jail is a good place to get some sleep. It
would be a step up from sleeping in the street, that's for sure.
me
2011-06-16 17:15:09 UTC
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small correction
Post by me
Below is an excerpt from the radio program Bathrobespierre's
Braodsides on Santa Cruz Pirate Radiohttp://www.freakradio.com
http://www.radiolibre.org/brb/brb100711.mp3
the website for Free Radio Santa Cruz is http://www.freakradio.org ,
not com
me
2011-06-18 03:28:40 UTC
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Post by me
Norse: (questions, intro)
Yeah, sleep is not a crime, it is a right.  It is a right and not a
should be:

Norse: (questions, intro)

Balderos: Yeah, sleep is not a crime, it is a right. It is a right
and not a
etc

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