Discussion:
Poverty in the US
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Tim May
2008-03-01 05:10:21 UTC
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In article <***@corp.supernews.com>, Hawke
<***@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> "mariposas rand mair fheal" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:mair_fheal-***@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > > I bet those Asians are really going to be mad when we go bust and
> default on
> > > our debts. Which just goes to show you that they aren't so smart either.
> >
> > the treasury paper is in dollars and will be paid off in dollars
> >
> > dollars paid to the lenders might not be worth crap
> > but the usa has two hundred year history of making good on its debts
>
> Yeah, but we never were in hock for 50 trillion bucks before either.
>

80 trillion and rising rapidly. An amount that no amount of "soaking
the rich" tax increases can pay for.

One hundred million U.S. residents (not U.S. citizens, as 40 million of
them won't be) will burn off. We will see the glory of dead Mexcrement
babies, of hundreds of thousands of inner city negro dirt people, all
burning off. And, with luck, the fed up population will liquidate the
20 million Jews who largely caused the mess.

Fucking hilarious. My entertainment for the next 30 years.

Already, millions of dirt people are being foreclosed upon. This will
accelerate dramatically soon.


--Tim May
Queenie
2008-03-01 05:43:43 UTC
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<groups trimmed>

On Feb 29, 9:10 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> In article <***@corp.supernews.com>, Hawke

> > Yeah, but we never were in hock for 50 trillion bucks before either.

> 80 trillion and rising rapidly. An amount that no amount of "soaking
> the rich" tax increases can pay for.
> One hundred million U.S. residents (not U.S. citizens, as 40 million of
> them won't be) will burn off. We will see the glory of dead Mexcrement
> babies, of hundreds of thousands of inner city negro dirt people, all
> burning off. And, with luck, the fed up population will liquidate the
> 20 million Jews who largely caused the mess.

Where did the 80 trillion figure come from?

I thought it was a mere 9 trillion:

http://agonist.org/9_trillion_in_national_debt_by_year_end

~Q.
Queenie
2008-03-01 05:55:28 UTC
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On Feb 29, 9:43 pm, Queenie <***@pacbell.net> wrote:
> <groups trimmed>
>
> On Feb 29, 9:10 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <***@corp.supernews.com>, Hawke
> > > Yeah, but we never were in hock for 50 trillion bucks before either.
> > 80 trillion and rising rapidly. An amount that no amount of "soaking
> > the rich" tax increases can pay for.
> > One hundred million U.S. residents (not U.S. citizens, as 40 million of
> > them won't be) will burn off. We will see the glory of dead Mexcrement
> > babies, of hundreds of thousands of inner city negro dirt people, all
> > burning off. And, with luck, the fed up population will liquidate the
> > 20 million Jews who largely caused the mess.
>
> Where did the 80 trillion figure come from?
>
> I thought it was a mere 9 trillion:
>
> http://agonist.org/9_trillion_in_national_debt_by_year_end

Oh. Nevermind.

~Q

"In other words, the true liability of the United States of America is
not only the Treasury bills, notes and bonds we sell to finance our
annual deficit and past deficits. To get to the true liability, you
must include all the promises we've made to make payments in the
future. That's how you get a staggering $55 trillion national debt! "

http://www.thestreet.com/s/the-state-of-the-union--and-its-debt/markets/marketfeatures/10400586.html
Tim May
2008-03-01 07:11:23 UTC
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In article
<ad5801bc-cdab-4716-ac35-***@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Queenie <***@pacbell.net> wrote:

> <groups trimmed>
>
> On Feb 29, 9:10 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> > In article <***@corp.supernews.com>, Hawke
>
> > > Yeah, but we never were in hock for 50 trillion bucks before either.
>
> > 80 trillion and rising rapidly. An amount that no amount of "soaking
> > the rich" tax increases can pay for.
> > One hundred million U.S. residents (not U.S. citizens, as 40 million of
> > them won't be) will burn off. We will see the glory of dead Mexcrement
> > babies, of hundreds of thousands of inner city negro dirt people, all
> > burning off. And, with luck, the fed up population will liquidate the
> > 20 million Jews who largely caused the mess.
>
> Where did the 80 trillion figure come from?
>
> I thought it was a mere 9 trillion:
>
> http://agonist.org/9_trillion_in_national_debt_by_year_end

Unfunded liabilities (Medicaid, SS, pension guarantees, loans) are
VASTLY greater than the official "national debt."

Do try to keep up. Or keep silent.


--Tim May
Queenie
2008-03-01 09:33:54 UTC
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On Feb 29, 11:11 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> Queenie <***@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > <groups trimmed>
>
> > On Feb 29, 9:10 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> > > In article <***@corp.supernews.com>, Hawke
>
> > > > Yeah, but we never were in hock for 50 trillion bucks before either.
>
> > > 80 trillion and rising rapidly. An amount that no amount of "soaking
> > > the rich" tax increases can pay for.
> > > One hundred million U.S. residents (not U.S. citizens, as 40 million of
> > > them won't be) will burn off. We will see the glory of dead Mexcrement
> > > babies, of hundreds of thousands of inner city negro dirt people, all
> > > burning off. And, with luck, the fed up population will liquidate the
> > > 20 million Jews who largely caused the mess.
>
> > Where did the 80 trillion figure come from?
>
> > I thought it was a mere 9 trillion:
>
> >http://agonist.org/9_trillion_in_national_debt_by_year_end
>
> Unfunded liabilities (Medicaid, SS, pension guarantees, loans) are
> VASTLY greater than the official "national debt."
>
> Do try to keep up. Or keep silent.

http://www.starbittrune.com/Audio/sounds/ja_3.wav

~Q.

http://www.truthin2008.org/
Jeff Liebermann
2008-03-01 17:22:05 UTC
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Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> hath wroth:

>Unfunded liabilities (Medicaid, SS, pension guarantees, loans) are
>VASTLY greater than the official "national debt."
>
>Do try to keep up. Or keep silent.
>
>--Tim May

You're mixing up the national "debt" with the national "deficit". Any
Jew knows the difference. The national debt is what the government
owes (mostly to itself). The national deficit is the difference
between government expenditures and income. Unfunded liabilities,
IOU's, and election year spending promises, are all under deficit, not
debt as the government has not yet issued bonds allowing the
governement to sink deeper in debt (mostly to itself).

Do try to be more accurate.
<http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html>
<http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm>

--
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150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Queenie
2008-03-02 00:50:50 UTC
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On Sat, 01 Mar 2008 09:22:05 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <***@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> hath wroth:
>
>>Unfunded liabilities (Medicaid, SS, pension guarantees, loans) are
>>VASTLY greater than the official "national debt."
>>
>>Do try to keep up. Or keep silent.
>>
>>--Tim May
>
>You're mixing up the national "debt" with the national "deficit". Any
>Jew knows the difference. The national debt is what the government
>owes (mostly to itself). The national deficit is the difference
>between government expenditures and income. Unfunded liabilities,
>IOU's, and election year spending promises, are all under deficit, not
>debt as the government has not yet issued bonds allowing the
>governement to sink deeper in debt (mostly to itself).
>
>Do try to be more accurate.
><http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html>
><http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/resources/faq/faq_publicdebt.htm>

I like this part:
-----------------
How do you make a contribution to reduce the debt?
Make your check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the
memo section, notate that it is a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the
Public. Mail your check to:

Attn Dept G
Bureau Of the Public Debt
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188
----------------
Ha ha... I wonder how shocked they are when a check actually comes
in...

So, what is the practical difference between what we've borrowed from
others and what we've promised ourselves?

What we owe to other countries compromises our integrity as a "nation
of laws" (not that we're doing so well with that, anyway) and leaves
us powerless in a hostile world environment. "All your base are
belong to us", heh. The effect on our currency is already evident.

No Social Security money, no Medicare, OTOH, leaves us with more
homeless people, hungry people begging in the streets, people without
healthcare who will get sick and die sooner as they age, and a
worsening situation for our already crumbling infrastructure of roads,
bridges and so on. A horrible situation but is it less threatenting
to the integrity* as a country?

~Queenie

*In its various meanings.
Jeff Liebermann
2008-03-02 02:58:00 UTC
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Queenie <***@pacbell.net> hath wroth:

>So, what is the practical difference between what we've borrowed from
>others and what we've promised ourselves?

Public debt held by domestic organizations can be forgiven (or
forgotten) with only a minor danger of precipitating rioting in the
streets or a taxpayer revolt. Debt held by foreign countries tend to
start wars and other awkward means of negotiating an easy payment
plan. I'm sure Japan, China and others will not be thrilled if we
default on your debts. I doubt they would go to war over collecting a
bad debut, but a suitable international incident can always be
fabricated.

>What we owe to other countries compromises our integrity as a "nation
>of laws" (not that we're doing so well with that, anyway) and leaves
>us powerless in a hostile world environment. "All your base are
>belong to us", heh. The effect on our currency is already evident.

Sure. The way it works is that small debtors are treated differently
from large debtors. That includes nations. With a small debt, the
debt holder can collect without much collateral damage. However, with
a large debt, the total collapse of the debtor is generally bad for
business, which includes other investments held by the debt holder.
The result is that the debt holder effectively becomes an investor in
the activities of the debtor. One thinks twice before foreclosing on
one's biggest customer.

>No Social Security money, no Medicare, OTOH, leaves us with more
>homeless people, hungry people begging in the streets, people without
>healthcare who will get sick and die sooner as they age, and a
>worsening situation for our already crumbling infrastructure of roads,
>bridges and so on.

Where? Here or in Iraq? As far as I can tell, some of the social
services you mention are functional in Iraq, at our expense.

>A horrible situation but is it less threatenting
>to the integrity* as a country?

When we put a dollar value on national integrity and trust, I'll
consider the tradeoff against the national debt.



--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
d***@yahoo.com
2008-03-04 04:21:19 UTC
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On Mar 1, 12:22 pm, Jeff Liebermann <***@cruzio.com> wrote:
> Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> hath wroth:
>
> >Unfunded liabilities (Medicaid, SS, pension guarantees, loans) are
> >VASTLY greater than the official "national debt."
>
> >Do try to keep up. Or keep silent.
>
> >--Tim May
>
> You're mixing up the national "debt" with the national "deficit". Any
> Jew knows the difference.

Maybe I should convert. The added intelligence I would automatically
acquire about money-related things might improve my chances of
escaping poverty.
Jeff Liebermann
2008-03-04 04:55:43 UTC
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***@yahoo.com hath wroth:

>On Mar 1, 12:22 pm, Jeff Liebermann <***@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> hath wroth:
>>
>> >Unfunded liabilities (Medicaid, SS, pension guarantees, loans) are
>> >VASTLY greater than the official "national debt."
>>
>> >Do try to keep up. Or keep silent.
>>
>> >--Tim May
>>
>> You're mixing up the national "debt" with the national "deficit". Any
>> Jew knows the difference.

>Maybe I should convert. The added intelligence I would automatically
>acquire about money-related things might improve my chances of
>escaping poverty.

Maybe. Making one intelligent decision is a start, but does not
adequately compensate for a lifetime of screwups.

Financial expertise is really a cultural thing that's not easily
learned later in life. Financial practices such as usury, influence
peddling, string pulling, loan collecting, price gouging, and money
changing, are learned in childhood and become ingrained in the
culture. The basic principle is to know the price and value of
literally everything before initiating any transaction. Once you
learn to think and evaluate everything in terms of dollars, your
financial education will rapidly accelerate.

Note that the only reason that Jews are involved in financial matters
is that Christians considered handling money to be dirty business and
relegated that function to the bottom of the social ladder. There was
something about Jesus evicting the money changers from the temple.

Having the proper financial mindset is only a start. You still need
to involve yourself in activities that might result in a profit. If
you surround yourself with poverty, your chances of escaping poverty
are very limited.

There is also the problem of being blamed for literally everything,
which does take some getting used to. Accepting the blame gracefully
does take some practice.

If you're still interested, start at:
<http://www.convert.org>
The process is not difficult, but does take some time and effort:
<http://www.convert.org/process.htm>

Good luck.



--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
d***@yahoo.com
2008-03-04 21:17:25 UTC
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On Mar 3, 8:55 pm, Jeff Liebermann <***@cruzio.com> wrote:

>
> If you're still interested, start at:
> <http://www.convert.org>
> The process is not difficult, but does take some time and effort:
> <http://www.convert.org/process.htm>
>
> Good luck.
>

Let's let Tim do it first...
Tim May
2008-03-04 22:15:02 UTC
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In article
<90780b0c-1e8a-4237-9182-***@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mar 3, 8:55 pm, Jeff Liebermann <***@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > If you're still interested, start at:
> > <http://www.convert.org>
> > The process is not difficult, but does take some time and effort:
> > <http://www.convert.org/process.htm>
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
>
> Let's let Tim do it first...

Idiot. You were the one who expressed interest in becoming a Jew.

Jeff offered advice. You reply with nonsense.

I think we all have a pretty clear idea why you're a homeless guy.


--Tim May
Steve Thompson
2008-03-04 22:45:45 UTC
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On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 08:55:43PM -0800, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> ***@yahoo.com hath wroth:
[Jewish stuff]
> >Maybe I should convert. The added intelligence I would automatically
> >acquire about money-related things might improve my chances of
> >escaping poverty.
>
> Maybe. Making one intelligent decision is a start, but does not
> adequately compensate for a lifetime of screwups.
>
> Financial expertise is really a cultural thing that's not easily
> learned later in life. Financial practices such as usury, influence
> peddling, string pulling, loan collecting, price gouging, and money
> changing, are learned in childhood and become ingrained in the
> culture. The basic principle is to know the price and value of
> literally everything before initiating any transaction. Once you
> learn to think and evaluate everything in terms of dollars, your
> financial education will rapidly accelerate.
>
> Note that the only reason that Jews are involved in financial matters
> is that Christians considered handling money to be dirty business and
> relegated that function to the bottom of the social ladder. There was
> something about Jesus evicting the money changers from the temple.
>
> Having the proper financial mindset is only a start. You still need
> to involve yourself in activities that might result in a profit. If
> you surround yourself with poverty, your chances of escaping poverty
> are very limited.
>
> There is also the problem of being blamed for literally everything,
> which does take some getting used to. Accepting the blame gracefully
> does take some practice.
>
> If you're still interested, start at:
> <http://www.convert.org>
> The process is not difficult, but does take some time and effort:
> <http://www.convert.org/process.htm>
>
> Good luck.

If you were joking in this post it would be really funny, unfortunately
the tone of your message is relatively deliberate and serious. You should
probably take a few steps back from your religion and consider it from a
more detached perspective.


Regards,

Steve

--
Why are you so bloody thick in the head?
Jeff Liebermann
2008-03-05 02:56:27 UTC
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On 4 Mar 2008 22:45:45 GMT, "Steve Thompson"<***@yahoo.ca.ca>
wrote:

>If you were joking in this post it would be really funny, unfortunately
>the tone of your message is relatively deliberate and serious.

I'll let you flip the coin yourself to decide whether I'm serious, or
otherwise. You do have a coin?

Incidentally, the only messages that have any tone are Morse code
messages on ham radio. I don't do much Morse code, therefore, my
messages have no tone.

>You should
>probably take a few steps back from your religion and consider it from a
>more detached perspective.

Nope. My religion, culture, philosophy, and monetary expertise are
intimately intermingled and cannot be easily detached, disconnected,
or otherwise independently inspected. It's a bit like a mixed salad.
The salad loses much of its flavor if you fish out the good (or the
bad) ingredients. However, I did take your advice and tried walking a
few step backwards. It seemed rather silly and nothing happened.

After spending more than a few years separating customers from their
money, I have noticed a pattern. Poverty seems to be associated with
fear of responsibility. People that I've met, that seem to be
chronically impoverished, appear to have spent their life avoiding
responsibilities. Since the ultimate measure of responsibility is
money, this translates into a fear of money. If they had money, they
might need to be responsible and act responsibly. Since that's
apparently perceived as a bad thing, money should be avoided, thus
also avoiding responsibility.

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Ed Huntress
2008-03-01 15:27:19 UTC
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"Tim May" <***@removethis.got.net> wrote in message
news:290220082110219925%***@removethis.got.net...
> In article <***@corp.supernews.com>, Hawke
> <***@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
>> "mariposas rand mair fheal" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:mair_fheal-***@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> > > I bet those Asians are really going to be mad when we go bust and
>> default on
>> > > our debts. Which just goes to show you that they aren't so smart
>> > > either.
>> >
>> > the treasury paper is in dollars and will be paid off in dollars
>> >
>> > dollars paid to the lenders might not be worth crap
>> > but the usa has two hundred year history of making good on its debts
>>
>> Yeah, but we never were in hock for 50 trillion bucks before either.
>>
>
> 80 trillion and rising rapidly. An amount that no amount of "soaking
> the rich" tax increases can pay for.

That's $9 trillion. You're looking at future projected obligations against
current revenues. Remedial math classes will be held on Tuesdays.

>
> One hundred million U.S. residents (not U.S. citizens, as 40 million of
> them won't be) will burn off.

From what I've heard, you ought to burn pretty well. If they rendered you
out, the fat could power your entire house for six months.

> We will see the glory of dead Mexcrement
> babies, of hundreds of thousands of inner city negro dirt people, all
> burning off.

Fat old white farts burn better. To paraphrase Liberace from an old movie,
they burn bluer.

> And, with luck, the fed up population will liquidate the
> 20 million Jews who largely caused the mess.
>
> Fucking hilarious. My entertainment for the next 30 years.

You won't live that long, Tim. You're a heart attack waiting to happen.

>
> Already, millions of dirt people are being foreclosed upon. This will
> accelerate dramatically soon.

Don't worry. They're all moving in with you.

>
>
> --Tim May

Tim may *what*? Stay away from open flames. You're a one-man fire hazard.

--
Ed Huntress
N***@excite.de
2008-03-05 21:25:04 UTC
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On Mar 1, 7:27 am, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:

> Tim may *what*? Stay away from open flames. You're a one-man fire hazard.
> --
> Ed Huntress

Hey, "Ed", try not to attack the man. Attack his message. Use logic
and
your head, man. Tim May does have a point. The country's unfunded
liabilities are vast.

My thought is that if we didn't have to pay all expenses of niggers
and
Mexcrement we'd be in a lot better shape.

Nathan
Ed Huntress
2008-03-05 21:53:15 UTC
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<***@excite.de> wrote in message
news:26d0b7b5-75b9-448b-a8ea-***@q78g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 1, 7:27 am, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Tim may *what*? Stay away from open flames. You're a one-man fire hazard.
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Hey, "Ed", try not to attack the man. Attack his message. Use logic
> and
> your head, man. Tim May does have a point. The country's unfunded
> liabilities are vast.
>
> My thought is that if we didn't have to pay all expenses of niggers
> and
> Mexcrement we'd be in a lot better shape.
>
> Nathan

We could always use you and Tim for compost, Nathan. That would save some
fertilizer costs. Are you as fat as he is?

--
Ed Huntress
t***@yahoo.com.au
2008-03-06 00:33:40 UTC
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On Mar 5, 1:53 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> We could always use you and Tim for compost,
> Nathan. That would save some
> fertilizer costs. Are you as fat as he is? --
> Ed Huntress

Your post adds no useful information to the debate,
and you manage to "Attack the Man" twice.

Well Done, Herr Goebbels!

Thomas
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 00:54:00 UTC
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<***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:0bbbedee-4fb3-4ca0-8213-***@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 5, 1:53 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>> We could always use you and Tim for compost,
>> Nathan. That would save some
>> fertilizer costs. Are you as fat as he is? --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Your post adds no useful information to the debate,
> and you manage to "Attack the Man" twice.

That's right, it doesn't. That's because there is no debate. Two stinking
racist pigs do not make an argument. They make good fertilizer, though.

--
Ed Huntress
N***@excite.de
2008-03-06 01:12:27 UTC
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On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> > Your post adds no useful information to the debate,
> > and you manage to "Attack the Man" twice.
>
> That's right, it doesn't. That's because there is no debate. Two stinking
> racist pigs do not make an argument. They make good fertilizer, though.
> --
> Ed Huntress

Herr Goebbels, continuing to attack the man rather than attacking
their arguments indicates that you have no counter arguments.

Who is responsible for my retirement? I am.
Who buys my medical insurance and pays the copays? I do.

I worked very hard for twenty years and retired a little early.
I'm set for life, and don't understand why the individual can't
set aside some of his income for retirement and healthcare
rather than depend on "government" to do it. That's what I
did.

Good Day to you, "Ed".

Nathan
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 01:39:30 UTC
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<***@excite.de> wrote in message
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> On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>> <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>
>> > Your post adds no useful information to the debate,
>> > and you manage to "Attack the Man" twice.
>>
>> That's right, it doesn't. That's because there is no debate. Two stinking
>> racist pigs do not make an argument. They make good fertilizer, though.
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Herr Goebbels, continuing to attack the man rather than attacking
> their arguments indicates that you have no counter arguments.

I don't argue with pigs who call people "niggers," bonehead.

>
> Who is responsible for my retirement? I am.
> Who buys my medical insurance and pays the copays? I do.
>
> I worked very hard for twenty years and retired a little early.
> I'm set for life, and don't understand why the individual can't
> set aside some of his income for retirement and healthcare
> rather than depend on "government" to do it. That's what I
> did.
>
> Good Day to you, "Ed".
>
> Nathan

Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig.

--
Ed Huntress
Tim May
2008-03-06 01:51:25 UTC
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In article
<d5cc6471-194f-4a85-8651-***@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
<***@excite.de> wrote:

> On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> > <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>
> > > Your post adds no useful information to the debate,
> > > and you manage to "Attack the Man" twice.
> >
> > That's right, it doesn't. That's because there is no debate. Two stinking
> > racist pigs do not make an argument. They make good fertilizer, though.
> > --
> > Ed Huntress
>
> Herr Goebbels, continuing to attack the man rather than attacking
> their arguments indicates that you have no counter arguments.
>
> Who is responsible for my retirement? I am.
> Who buys my medical insurance and pays the copays? I do.
>
> I worked very hard for twenty years and retired a little early.
> I'm set for life, and don't understand why the individual can't
> set aside some of his income for retirement and healthcare
> rather than depend on "government" to do it. That's what I
> did.
>
> Good Day to you, "Ed".

I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
taxed at higher and higher rates by those who think health care and
savings and everything else should be "socialized."

I worked very hard to acquire assets to invest so that I could retire.
When I did, I found my tax rate increased 30%. The Democrap argument is
that since these are "unearned assets," they deserve to be taxed at a
higher rate.

Now I see waves of city bankruptcies coming (good), tens of milliions
facing the consequences of their non-investments (good), but demands
that I bail them out with my tax dollars (bad).

About 60 million Americans have not bothered to save, having nothing in
the bank, have not put money into any kind of medical or retirement
savings, and yet expect others to carry them.

It is time to admit that these people are going to die in the streets.
Good riddance.

If Ed Huntress and the other socialists here wish to give _there_
money, they are free to do so. If they try to take more of my money
than the already audaciously exorbitant amount that is being taken, I
say we actively hunt people like that down and deal with them for once
and for all.

I am tired of socialists claiming some unprecedented need for my money
and then bailing out non-savers, or pension funds, or whatever.

(I say the pension holders at GMC, Ford, Chrysler, Bethlehem Steel,
United Airlines, et. al. should demand their own meet their
obligations. No fucking way am I going to pay for the mistakes of
others. I would rather give $10K a year to bomb makers planning to
decapitate the high command.)

Frankly, seeing how America has turned itself into a socialist nation,
I hope MORE strikes by Al Qaaeda decapitate the rest of our
infrastructure. I cheer when the U.S. gets its butt kicked in that sand
country. Just last week I saw that video of 5 G.I.s blown up...stuff
the Mainstream Media won't put on the pablum for the "HOOO-RAAHHH!
NATION" jingoists who watch.

The likely burn-off will probably encompass upwards of 100 million.
Many will just burn-off as their neighborhoods burn or starve.

They should've planned ahead and gotten out of the brown neighborhoods,
the "No Ingles!" neighborhoods, the welfare-dominated regions.

--Tim May
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 01:59:50 UTC
Permalink
"Tim May" <***@removethis.got.net> wrote in message
news:050320081751257743%***@removethis.got.net...
> In article
> <d5cc6471-194f-4a85-8651-***@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> <***@excite.de> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>> > <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>
>> > > Your post adds no useful information to the debate,
>> > > and you manage to "Attack the Man" twice.
>> >
>> > That's right, it doesn't. That's because there is no debate. Two
>> > stinking
>> > racist pigs do not make an argument. They make good fertilizer, though.
>> > --
>> > Ed Huntress
>>
>> Herr Goebbels, continuing to attack the man rather than attacking
>> their arguments indicates that you have no counter arguments.
>>
>> Who is responsible for my retirement? I am.
>> Who buys my medical insurance and pays the copays? I do.
>>
>> I worked very hard for twenty years and retired a little early.
>> I'm set for life, and don't understand why the individual can't
>> set aside some of his income for retirement and healthcare
>> rather than depend on "government" to do it. That's what I
>> did.
>>
>> Good Day to you, "Ed".
>
> I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
> taxed at higher and higher rates by those who think health care and
> savings and everything else should be "socialized."
>
> I worked very hard to acquire assets to invest so that I could retire.
> When I did, I found my tax rate increased 30%. The Democrap argument is
> that since these are "unearned assets," they deserve to be taxed at a
> higher rate.
>
> Now I see waves of city bankruptcies coming (good), tens of milliions
> facing the consequences of their non-investments (good), but demands
> that I bail them out with my tax dollars (bad).
>
> About 60 million Americans have not bothered to save, having nothing in
> the bank, have not put money into any kind of medical or retirement
> savings, and yet expect others to carry them.
>
> It is time to admit that these people are going to die in the streets.
> Good riddance.

You'll probably die first, though, Tim. You're apparently a medical
disaster, of your own making.

>
> They should've planned ahead and gotten out of the brown neighborhoods,
> the "No Ingles!" neighborhoods, the welfare-dominated regions.

You baby molesters, wife beaters, and racist pigs are all alike, Tim. Nobody
respects you because you're not worthy of respect. You are, as I said, worth
your weight in compost.

--
Ed Huntress
N***@excite.de
2008-03-06 02:14:52 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 5, 5:59 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> You baby molesters, wife beaters, and racist pigs are all alike, Tim.
> [snip]
> --
> Ed Huntress

Sounds like a classic case of projection, "Ed".

1) Do you have a thing for "Short Eyes", Ed?
2) Have you stopped beating your wife, Ed?
3) Secretly, deep down, you are a racist, Ed?

Keyboard commandos such as you make me
sick.
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 02:19:55 UTC
Permalink
<***@excite.de> wrote in message
news:e9a824b6-d0fe-496a-8828-***@d62g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 5, 5:59 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>> You baby molesters, wife beaters, and racist pigs are all alike, Tim.
>> [snip]
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Sounds like a classic case of projection, "Ed".

Nope. It's a long life of recognizing degenerate characters, and the
commonality of destructive character flaws.

Like yours, Nathan. You'd do the world a favor by overdosing on pills and
jumping onto a compost heap. Go for it.

--
Ed Huntress
strabo
2008-03-06 03:37:33 UTC
Permalink
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "Tim May" <***@removethis.got.net> wrote in message
> news:050320081751257743%***@removethis.got.net...
>> In article
>> <d5cc6471-194f-4a85-8651-***@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>> <***@excite.de> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 5, 4:54 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> <***@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>>>>> Your post adds no useful information to the debate,
>>>>> and you manage to "Attack the Man" twice.
>>>> That's right, it doesn't. That's because there is no debate. Two
>>>> stinking
>>>> racist pigs do not make an argument. They make good fertilizer, though.
>>>> --
>>>> Ed Huntress
>>> Herr Goebbels, continuing to attack the man rather than attacking
>>> their arguments indicates that you have no counter arguments.
>>>
>>> Who is responsible for my retirement? I am.
>>> Who buys my medical insurance and pays the copays? I do.
>>>
>>> I worked very hard for twenty years and retired a little early.
>>> I'm set for life, and don't understand why the individual can't
>>> set aside some of his income for retirement and healthcare
>>> rather than depend on "government" to do it. That's what I
>>> did.
>>>
>>> Good Day to you, "Ed".
>> I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
>> taxed at higher and higher rates by those who think health care and
>> savings and everything else should be "socialized."
>>
>> I worked very hard to acquire assets to invest so that I could retire.
>> When I did, I found my tax rate increased 30%. The Democrap argument is
>> that since these are "unearned assets," they deserve to be taxed at a
>> higher rate.
>>
>> Now I see waves of city bankruptcies coming (good), tens of milliions
>> facing the consequences of their non-investments (good), but demands
>> that I bail them out with my tax dollars (bad).
>>
>> About 60 million Americans have not bothered to save, having nothing in
>> the bank, have not put money into any kind of medical or retirement
>> savings, and yet expect others to carry them.
>>
>> It is time to admit that these people are going to die in the streets.
>> Good riddance.
>
> You'll probably die first, though, Tim. You're apparently a medical
> disaster, of your own making.
>
>> They should've planned ahead and gotten out of the brown neighborhoods,
>> the "No Ingles!" neighborhoods, the welfare-dominated regions.
>
> You baby molesters, wife beaters, and racist pigs are all alike, Tim. Nobody
> respects you because you're not worthy of respect. You are, as I said, worth
> your weight in compost.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>

"Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."

Your words, your personal hell.

One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
beliefs.


>
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 03:49:09 UTC
Permalink
"strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
news:***@isp.n...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>
>
> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>
> Your words, your personal hell.
>
> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
> beliefs.

Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are joining
him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate racist pigs can't
be expected to have very much of it.

Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on "social
grace."

--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
2008-03-06 04:30:21 UTC
Permalink
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
> news:***@isp.n...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>
>>
>> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>>
>> Your words, your personal hell.
>>
>> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
>> beliefs.
>
> Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are
> joining him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate
> racist pigs can't be expected to have very much of it.
>
> Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on
> "social grace."

Hey Ed,
When I awake in the morning, and I mean every single morning, I pinch
myself. Even before I pee.
In fact. I just pinched myself for good measure.
You should too, and given that, I'm at a loss to understand something here.
Guess WTF that thing is.

I've got to add that I just spent two hours witn one of America's best
political consultants and I had an excellent time 'splaining why none of
what's seen as "Important" really matters.

Every one of these fuckers ( I actually said that ) is even asking or
answering the right question. The Great American Experiment isn't going to
have a Roman terminus, it is entirely Greek.

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 05:12:07 UTC
Permalink
"John R. Carroll" <***@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:xrKzj.18980$***@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>> news:***@isp.n...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>>>
>>> Your words, your personal hell.
>>>
>>> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
>>> beliefs.
>>
>> Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are
>> joining him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate
>> racist pigs can't be expected to have very much of it.
>>
>> Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on
>> "social grace."
>
> Hey Ed,
> When I awake in the morning, and I mean every single morning, I pinch
> myself. Even before I pee.
> In fact. I just pinched myself for good measure.
> You should too, and given that, I'm at a loss to understand something
> here.
> Guess WTF that thing is.
>
> I've got to add that I just spent two hours witn one of America's best
> political consultants and I had an excellent time 'splaining why none of
> what's seen as "Important" really matters.
>
> Every one of these fuckers ( I actually said that ) is even asking or
> answering the right question. The Great American Experiment isn't going to
> have a Roman terminus, it is entirely Greek.

Uh-oh. I'd better get out my decoding ring....d8-)

My instincts tell me there's something really good in that message, but I'm
on the wrong wavelength, John. I'd really like to have a sharper idea of
what you mean.

However, you just struck a chord with that issue of what's important. I've
been reading Bill McKibben's book _Deep Economy_, and it's making me believe
I had it right when I was about 20, and then I forgot everything important.
McKibben's books are like a Chinese meal, but they're good while you're
reading them. He grabs ahold of some pretty big ideas but he never seems to
wrestle them to the ground.

Anyway, if I'm not just reading into your message what I'm actually reading
with my other hand, here's something that's important: don't ever stop
fighting the bastards who suck the life out of people, and communities, and
societies. Don't ever let them confuse silence with acquiescence.

Now, something tells me you shared a defining moment with that political
consultant. 'Care to elaborate?

--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
2008-03-06 12:28:05 UTC
Permalink
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <***@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
> news:xrKzj.18980$***@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>>> news:***@isp.n...
>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>>>>
>>>> Your words, your personal hell.
>>>>
>>>> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
>>>> beliefs.
>>>
>>> Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are
>>> joining him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate
>>> racist pigs can't be expected to have very much of it.
>>>
>>> Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on
>>> "social grace."
>>
>> Hey Ed,
>> When I awake in the morning, and I mean every single morning, I pinch
>> myself. Even before I pee.
>> In fact. I just pinched myself for good measure.
>> You should too, and given that, I'm at a loss to understand something
>> here.
>> Guess WTF that thing is.
>>
>> I've got to add that I just spent two hours witn one of America's
>> best political consultants and I had an excellent time 'splaining
>> why none of what's seen as "Important" really matters.
>>
>> Every one of these fuckers ( I actually said that ) is even asking or
>> answering the right question. The Great American Experiment isn't
>> going to have a Roman terminus, it is entirely Greek.
>
> Uh-oh. I'd better get out my decoding ring....d8-)
>
> My instincts tell me there's something really good in that message,
> but I'm on the wrong wavelength, John. I'd really like to have a
> sharper idea of what you mean.
>
> However, you just struck a chord with that issue of what's important.
> I've been reading Bill McKibben's book _Deep Economy_, and it's
> making me believe I had it right when I was about 20, and then I
> forgot everything important.

Exactly so. You are on to something here Ed but it isn't a memory problem
that you face.
You see, when you were 20 you thought you had the big picture dialed in. You
thought you knew something as a "given" and that something just became a
part of who and what you were as a man. This thing that you came to
appreciate at 20 and - did find remarkable - ended up being something taken
for granted and not just by you but by an entire generation.


>McKibben's books are like a Chinese
> meal, but they're good while you're reading them. He grabs ahold of
> some pretty big ideas but he never seems to wrestle them to the
> ground.
>
> Anyway, if I'm not just reading into your message what I'm actually
> reading with my other hand, here's something that's important: don't
> ever stop fighting the bastards who suck the life out of people, and
> communities, and societies. Don't ever let them confuse silence with
> acquiescence.
>
> Now, something tells me you shared a defining moment with that
> political consultant. 'Care to elaborate?


LOL
Sure, I told him that being a good winner was important and that his girl
isn't.
I then handed him a card that I've carried with me every day for the last
seven years.
On one side, in great big letters, it says

"Beauty is only skin deep/Ugly is to the bone".

This is what it says on the other:

" You see, this must be a terrible feeling. You make a decision based on
expediency, and it doesn't work. You are then left without either expedience
or principle. With Nothing. This is sad. I never want to wake up the day
after an election or anything else with that emptiness in me. Knowing that I
have given away the things that matter most for the sake of what I thought I
would win and finding that I have lost and have nothing. I have not said one
word or done one thing with the principles that I believe in and I never
will."

"Knowing that, it doesn't matter how many times I lose because I'm not
losing anything. I will carry it home right with me to the grave, till the
moment when I look to see whether God approves and in the end that is all
that really matters."


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Ed Huntress
2008-03-07 04:05:42 UTC
Permalink
"John R. Carroll" <***@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:prRzj.25094$***@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <***@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
>> news:xrKzj.18980$***@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:***@isp.n...
>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>>>>>
>>>>> Your words, your personal hell.
>>>>>
>>>>> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>
>>>> Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are
>>>> joining him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate
>>>> racist pigs can't be expected to have very much of it.
>>>>
>>>> Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on
>>>> "social grace."
>>>
>>> Hey Ed,
>>> When I awake in the morning, and I mean every single morning, I pinch
>>> myself. Even before I pee.
>>> In fact. I just pinched myself for good measure.
>>> You should too, and given that, I'm at a loss to understand something
>>> here.
>>> Guess WTF that thing is.
>>>
>>> I've got to add that I just spent two hours witn one of America's
>>> best political consultants and I had an excellent time 'splaining
>>> why none of what's seen as "Important" really matters.
>>>
>>> Every one of these fuckers ( I actually said that ) is even asking or
>>> answering the right question. The Great American Experiment isn't
>>> going to have a Roman terminus, it is entirely Greek.
>>
>> Uh-oh. I'd better get out my decoding ring....d8-)
>>
>> My instincts tell me there's something really good in that message,
>> but I'm on the wrong wavelength, John. I'd really like to have a
>> sharper idea of what you mean.
>>
>> However, you just struck a chord with that issue of what's important.
>> I've been reading Bill McKibben's book _Deep Economy_, and it's
>> making me believe I had it right when I was about 20, and then I
>> forgot everything important.
>
> Exactly so. You are on to something here Ed but it isn't a memory problem
> that you face.
> You see, when you were 20 you thought you had the big picture dialed in.
> You
> thought you knew something as a "given" and that something just became a
> part of who and what you were as a man. This thing that you came to
> appreciate at 20 and - did find remarkable - ended up being something
> taken
> for granted and not just by you but by an entire generation.
>
>
>>McKibben's books are like a Chinese
>> meal, but they're good while you're reading them. He grabs ahold of
>> some pretty big ideas but he never seems to wrestle them to the
>> ground.
>>
>> Anyway, if I'm not just reading into your message what I'm actually
>> reading with my other hand, here's something that's important: don't
>> ever stop fighting the bastards who suck the life out of people, and
>> communities, and societies. Don't ever let them confuse silence with
>> acquiescence.
>>
>> Now, something tells me you shared a defining moment with that
>> political consultant. 'Care to elaborate?
>
>
> LOL
> Sure, I told him that being a good winner was important and that his girl
> isn't.
> I then handed him a card that I've carried with me every day for the last
> seven years.
> On one side, in great big letters, it says
>
> "Beauty is only skin deep/Ugly is to the bone".
>
> This is what it says on the other:
>
> " You see, this must be a terrible feeling. You make a decision based on
> expediency, and it doesn't work. You are then left without either
> expedience
> or principle. With Nothing. This is sad. I never want to wake up the day
> after an election or anything else with that emptiness in me. Knowing that
> I
> have given away the things that matter most for the sake of what I thought
> I
> would win and finding that I have lost and have nothing. I have not said
> one
> word or done one thing with the principles that I believe in and I never
> will."
>
> "Knowing that, it doesn't matter how many times I lose because I'm not
> losing anything. I will carry it home right with me to the grave, till the
> moment when I look to see whether God approves and in the end that is all
> that really matters."

Ok, I think I get that. I'll go with the principle business in general. I
just wish more people would think longer before deciding which principles
are worth having.

--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
2008-03-09 04:42:54 UTC
Permalink
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <***@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
> news:prRzj.25094$***@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <***@machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
>>> news:xrKzj.18980$***@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>> "strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:***@isp.n...
>>>>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your words, your personal hell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
>>>>>> beliefs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are
>>>>> joining him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate
>>>>> racist pigs can't be expected to have very much of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on
>>>>> "social grace."
>>>>
>>>> Hey Ed,
>>>> When I awake in the morning, and I mean every single morning, I
>>>> pinch myself. Even before I pee.
>>>> In fact. I just pinched myself for good measure.
>>>> You should too, and given that, I'm at a loss to understand
>>>> something here.
>>>> Guess WTF that thing is.
>>>>
>>>> I've got to add that I just spent two hours witn one of America's
>>>> best political consultants and I had an excellent time 'splaining
>>>> why none of what's seen as "Important" really matters.
>>>>
>>>> Every one of these fuckers ( I actually said that ) is even asking
>>>> or answering the right question. The Great American Experiment
>>>> isn't going to have a Roman terminus, it is entirely Greek.
>>>
>>> Uh-oh. I'd better get out my decoding ring....d8-)
>>>
>>> My instincts tell me there's something really good in that message,
>>> but I'm on the wrong wavelength, John. I'd really like to have a
>>> sharper idea of what you mean.
>>>
>>> However, you just struck a chord with that issue of what's
>>> important. I've been reading Bill McKibben's book _Deep Economy_,
>>> and it's making me believe I had it right when I was about 20, and
>>> then I forgot everything important.
>>
>> Exactly so. You are on to something here Ed but it isn't a memory
>> problem that you face.
>> You see, when you were 20 you thought you had the big picture dialed
>> in. You
>> thought you knew something as a "given" and that something just
>> became a part of who and what you were as a man. This thing that you
>> came to appreciate at 20 and - did find remarkable - ended up being
>> something taken
>> for granted and not just by you but by an entire generation.
>>
>>
>>> McKibben's books are like a Chinese
>>> meal, but they're good while you're reading them. He grabs ahold of
>>> some pretty big ideas but he never seems to wrestle them to the
>>> ground.
>>>
>>> Anyway, if I'm not just reading into your message what I'm actually
>>> reading with my other hand, here's something that's important: don't
>>> ever stop fighting the bastards who suck the life out of people, and
>>> communities, and societies. Don't ever let them confuse silence with
>>> acquiescence.
>>>
>>> Now, something tells me you shared a defining moment with that
>>> political consultant. 'Care to elaborate?
>>
>>
>> LOL
>> Sure, I told him that being a good winner was important and that his
>> girl isn't.
>> I then handed him a card that I've carried with me every day for
>> the last seven years.
>> On one side, in great big letters, it says
>>
>> "Beauty is only skin deep/Ugly is to the bone".
>>
>> This is what it says on the other:
>>
>> " You see, this must be a terrible feeling. You make a decision
>> based on expediency, and it doesn't work. You are then left without
>> either expedience
>> or principle. With Nothing. This is sad. I never want to wake up the
>> day after an election or anything else with that emptiness in me.
>> Knowing that I
>> have given away the things that matter most for the sake of what I
>> thought I
>> would win and finding that I have lost and have nothing. I have not
>> said one
>> word or done one thing with the principles that I believe in and I
>> never will."
>>
>> "Knowing that, it doesn't matter how many times I lose because I'm
>> not losing anything. I will carry it home right with me to the
>> grave, till the moment when I look to see whether God approves and
>> in the end that is all that really matters."
>
> Ok, I think I get that. I'll go with the principle business in
> general. I just wish more people would think longer before deciding
> which principles are worth having.

I hate to write Ed. I really do.

The long version of what I was to lazy to post here will appear in the
Washington Post shortly and under my own name as a byline with one of their
regulars. It might not get through the editorial review process and if that
happens I'll post the piece here in it's entirety or maybe just send it
along privately. It's a little distressing.

As I didn't address it in my remarks for publication I'll raise a single and
indicative issue here as an example.

America has a health care problem.
What that problem actually is can be honestly debated but the issue itself
has been decided. The benefits of a healthy population far exceed the costs.
Period.

Hillary Clinton has a plan/proposal before the voters for universal coverage
and you can't opt out. She'd see the government in the collection business
if you didn't buy insurance coverage. That dog won't hunt and she knows it.
Not only does she know it, she's counting on exactly that.

Barak Obama has a plan that doesn't mandate participation but again involves
universal coverage. He and his want to compel a combination of subsidies and
price incentives that will allegedly make coverage cheap enough that
everyone will either buy in or have coverage subsidized completely. That
won't fly either.

John McCain? Well, who the hell knows. John quit telling the truth a while
ago and the advantage of electing him to office is that he will know he's a
one term girl and, knowing that, might thumb his nose at convention and go
entirely his own way.
The political calculus, and what I told Murphy, is that this guy is the
modern version of Barry Goldwater, not Bob Dole. He's being set up by his
political enemies in the Republican party to take a huge pasting. They will
then attribute his loss to the fact that he was not a "real" conservative
and therefore not either worthy of a win at the pols or any recognition of
responsibility by the party. He will be completely hung out to dry and in
2012 it will be one of the big themes for Republican candidates and voters
both. This is a dog that will indeed hunt but it's disingenuous and
disgraceful. That was why I passed him my little card. He recognized the
original author almost at once and was honestly shocked that I'd have it in
the same room let alone close to me. He did "get it" however and I think
Mike and I have probably shared our last conversation as fellow
Michigander's or friends.

Here is the point.
America doesn't only need a universal, single payer health care plan.
First, and as a nation, we have to decide what services will be included as
well as how to balance preventative care against long term health. We have
to decide what level of health care is in our national interest and what
level lies in the realm of private coverage. This will literally be a life
and death value judgement and it will be based on practical realities
involving avaliable resources and the returns those resources can
reasonabl;y produce for society.

George Bush, in his infinite wisdom, vetoed expanded coverage under SCHIP
because of the extra 35 billion dollars it would cost over ten years. When
he did so, he condemned America to 200 billion dollars of direct costs when
these kids are aging adults and untold lost productivity for 50 years. In
other words he,our current leadership, and America at large, are more than
willing to have fathered and promoted the concept that we ought to be a
country that accepts a future with less opportunity and a lower standard of
living for our children that we have today as a desirable end. Boomers, in
the mean time, will suck the well completely dry. They have the votes and
lack the moral fiber to care about the consequences.

If America is a "Great Experiment" it is looking increasingly like moldy
cheese in the fridge. In other words, an abandoned science project. The real
truth is that America ceased to be an experiment and became a work in
progress over one hundred years ago and is a lot more like an immature adult
with great strength, no real discipline and lacks any genuine institutional
or cultural history that older cultures benefit from.

Americans need to bend their efforts to their work in progress before it
blows up in everyone's face.
That could happen you know.

See Ya' round

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Tim May
2008-03-09 06:26:32 UTC
Permalink
In article <_WJAj.9115$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, John R. Carroll
<***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:

> Here is the point.
> America doesn't only need a universal, single payer health care plan.
> First, and as a nation, we have to decide what services will be included as
> well as how to balance preventative care against long term health. We have
> to decide what level of health care is in our national interest and what
> level lies in the realm of private coverage. This will literally be a life
> and death value judgement and it will be based on practical realities
> involving avaliable resources and the returns those resources can
> reasonabl;y produce for society.

The citizenry does not have a "universal, single payer food plan."

Nor does it have a "universal, single payer car plan."


And so on.

You pay for the doctors you need, I'll pay for mine. The dirt people
and addicts will get nothing, which is just.

Any other plan, the planners need killing. And I mean in an Al Qaeda
sort of way.

If either Obamanation or HillyBilly tries to socialize medicine, they
and everyone within 150 miles of them ought will need to be cauerized
with thermonuclear disinfectant.


--Tim May
Steve Thompson
2008-03-09 17:18:30 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, Mar 08, 2008 at 10:26:32PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> In article <_WJAj.9115$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com>, John R. Carroll
> <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote:
>
> > Here is the point.
> > America doesn't only need a universal, single payer health care plan.
> > First, and as a nation, we have to decide what services will be included as
> > well as how to balance preventative care against long term health. We have
> > to decide what level of health care is in our national interest and what
> > level lies in the realm of private coverage. This will literally be a life
> > and death value judgement and it will be based on practical realities
> > involving avaliable resources and the returns those resources can
> > reasonabl;y produce for society.
>
> The citizenry does not have a "universal, single payer food plan."
>
> Nor does it have a "universal, single payer car plan."
>
>
> And so on.
>
> You pay for the doctors you need, I'll pay for mine. The dirt people
> and addicts will get nothing, which is just.
>
> Any other plan, the planners need killing. And I mean in an Al Qaeda
> sort of way.

You're smart enough to know that the underlying philosophy of your position
on this matter is sound, but that it requires a level playing field. There
is no such thing today largely because of ancient and modern history, and
also because people like you fight good *and* bad progress towards
increasing general 'equality', however it is we might define it.

> If either Obamanation or HillyBilly tries to socialize medicine, they
> and everyone within 150 miles of them ought will need to be cauerized
> with thermonuclear disinfectant.

I might be in agreement with you about nuking politicians if it were not
for the fact that I know our reasons for expressing such sentiments are so
profoundly opposed. In your case I wish I could buy you a one-way plane
ticket to Brussels, which is much more environmentally friendly than a
low-yield tactical nuclear weapon.


Regards,

Steve

--
Why are you so bloody thick in the head?
Ed Huntress
2008-03-09 17:41:40 UTC
Permalink
"John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:_WJAj.9115$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...

<snip>

> Americans need to bend their efforts to their work in progress before it
> blows up in everyone's face.
> That could happen you know.
>
> See Ya' round

Ho-ho! So it's Mike Murphy you were talking about. There's an interesting
character, all right. One of the more effective subverters of democracy.
People with the greatest political talents tend to turn other peoples' lives
into a game for their own enjoyment.

I'm with you on the substance of what you're saying here, John, and it
reminds me that it's time to turn my own efforts into something a little
more constructive. I'll be taking a vacation from this place for a while. If
your piece shows up in the Post, please drop me a line to let me know. I'll
look for it but it may slip past me.

Remember to remove the "3" from my e-mail address. 'See you soon.

--
Ed Huntress
***@optonline.net
John R. Carroll
2008-03-10 14:49:14 UTC
Permalink
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
> message news:_WJAj.9115$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> <snip>
>
>> Americans need to bend their efforts to their work in progress
>> before it blows up in everyone's face.
>> That could happen you know.
>>
>> See Ya' round
>
> Ho-ho! So it's Mike Murphy you were talking about. There's an
> interesting character, all right. One of the more effective
> subverters of democracy. People with the greatest political talents
> tend to turn other peoples' lives into a game for their own enjoyment.

The research is being done on McCain/Lieberman.
It spins out a little crazily but might work.

The groundwork is also beginning for the Mitt and Jeb Show in 2012.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Ed Huntress
2008-03-10 14:18:02 UTC
Permalink
"John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:21bBj.9246$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
>> message news:_WJAj.9115$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Americans need to bend their efforts to their work in progress
>>> before it blows up in everyone's face.
>>> That could happen you know.
>>>
>>> See Ya' round
>>
>> Ho-ho! So it's Mike Murphy you were talking about. There's an
>> interesting character, all right. One of the more effective
>> subverters of democracy. People with the greatest political talents
>> tend to turn other peoples' lives into a game for their own enjoyment.
>
> The research is being done on McCain/Lieberman.
> It spins out a little crazily but might work.

That doesn't sound unreasonable. I saw that suggestion today in Bill
Kristol's column in the NYT (yes, Kristol is now a columnist for the
Times -- talk about cognitive dissonance!):

"Perhaps the most obvious way McCain could upend the normal dynamics of this
year's election would be a bold vice presidential choice. He could pick a
hawkish and principled Democrat like Joe Lieberman. He could reach beyond
the usual bevy of elected officials by tapping either David Petraeus or
Raymond Odierno - the two generals who together, in an amazing demonstration
of leadership and competence, turned the war in Iraq around last year."

<yawn>

Anyway, it will be interesting. (President Odierno?)

--
Ed Huntress
John R. Carroll
2008-03-10 18:46:01 UTC
Permalink
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
> message news:21bBj.9246$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
>>> message news:_WJAj.9115$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Americans need to bend their efforts to their work in progress
>>>> before it blows up in everyone's face.
>>>> That could happen you know.
>>>>
>>>> See Ya' round
>>>
>>> Ho-ho! So it's Mike Murphy you were talking about. There's an
>>> interesting character, all right. One of the more effective
>>> subverters of democracy. People with the greatest political talents
>>> tend to turn other peoples' lives into a game for their own
>>> enjoyment.
>>
>> The research is being done on McCain/Lieberman.
>> It spins out a little crazily but might work.
>
> That doesn't sound unreasonable. I saw that suggestion today in Bill
> Kristol's column in the NYT (yes, Kristol is now a columnist for the
> Times -- talk about cognitive dissonance!):

Bill Buckley is no doubt spinning in his grave!
I'd LOVE to hear Kristol's explanation.

>
> "Perhaps the most obvious way McCain could upend the normal dynamics
> of this year's election would be a bold vice presidential choice. He
> could pick a hawkish and principled Democrat like Joe Lieberman. He
> could reach beyond the usual bevy of elected officials by tapping
> either David Petraeus or Raymond Odierno - the two generals who
> together, in an amazing demonstration of leadership and competence,
> turned the war in Iraq around last year."
>
> <yawn>
>
> Anyway, it will be interesting. (President Odierno?)

Hah! So Murph wasn't just pulling my leg after all.
There was no mention of either of these two General Officers in our
conversation.
The theory is that McCain won't turnout the Republican base beyond the
people that always vote and always vote Republican. He does have a Dem
crossover that's pretty strong - especially up against Hillary Clinton.
Putting Lieberman on the ticket will get the mouth breathers to the polls
like the "Christians for Israel"/Hagee Ministries crowd. They'll also get
Lieberman's East coast States as well as Florida, PA and the Carolina's and
California will actually be in play for real with Ahnold lending his
considerable hand. McCain can bring in the Southern States with his West of
the Mississippi vote. The math comes in at 270 electoral college votes.
In essence, you'd have an all democratic Presidential contest with a choice
between a Rhino and his independent running mate or an actual pair of Dems.
Both campaigns would be courting the exact same set of voters.

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com
Ed Huntress
2008-03-11 02:21:40 UTC
Permalink
"John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in message
news:8veBj.110$***@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
>> message news:21bBj.9246$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>>> "John R. Carroll" <***@ubu,machiningsolution.com> wrote in
>>>> message news:_WJAj.9115$***@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Americans need to bend their efforts to their work in progress
>>>>> before it blows up in everyone's face.
>>>>> That could happen you know.
>>>>>
>>>>> See Ya' round
>>>>
>>>> Ho-ho! So it's Mike Murphy you were talking about. There's an
>>>> interesting character, all right. One of the more effective
>>>> subverters of democracy. People with the greatest political talents
>>>> tend to turn other peoples' lives into a game for their own
>>>> enjoyment.
>>>
>>> The research is being done on McCain/Lieberman.
>>> It spins out a little crazily but might work.
>>
>> That doesn't sound unreasonable. I saw that suggestion today in Bill
>> Kristol's column in the NYT (yes, Kristol is now a columnist for the
>> Times -- talk about cognitive dissonance!):
>
> Bill Buckley is no doubt spinning in his grave!
> I'd LOVE to hear Kristol's explanation.
>
>>
>> "Perhaps the most obvious way McCain could upend the normal dynamics
>> of this year's election would be a bold vice presidential choice. He
>> could pick a hawkish and principled Democrat like Joe Lieberman. He
>> could reach beyond the usual bevy of elected officials by tapping
>> either David Petraeus or Raymond Odierno - the two generals who
>> together, in an amazing demonstration of leadership and competence,
>> turned the war in Iraq around last year."
>>
>> <yawn>
>>
>> Anyway, it will be interesting. (President Odierno?)
>
> Hah! So Murph wasn't just pulling my leg after all.
> There was no mention of either of these two General Officers in our
> conversation.
> The theory is that McCain won't turnout the Republican base beyond the
> people that always vote and always vote Republican. He does have a Dem
> crossover that's pretty strong - especially up against Hillary Clinton.
> Putting Lieberman on the ticket will get the mouth breathers to the polls
> like the "Christians for Israel"/Hagee Ministries crowd. They'll also get
> Lieberman's East coast States as well as Florida, PA and the Carolina's
> and
> California will actually be in play for real with Ahnold lending his
> considerable hand. McCain can bring in the Southern States with his West
> of
> the Mississippi vote. The math comes in at 270 electoral college votes.
> In essence, you'd have an all democratic Presidential contest with a
> choice
> between a Rhino and his independent running mate or an actual pair of
> Dems.
> Both campaigns would be courting the exact same set of voters.

I'd bet against it. "Two of the warmongers who got us into Iraq and want to
keep us there forever," is the way the Dems could play it if Obama is the
candidate. If it's Clinton, it would be a lot tougher.

--
Ed Huntress
Phil Gustafson
2008-03-11 05:00:44 UTC
Permalink
I used to know that there was a reason to shape drill bits and lathe
tools differently, depending on whether they were to be used on steel or
brass. Just trying to get back on topic for at least one group on this
polyposted thread.

Ph.

--
"We are all Bayesians at heart, but when it comes to actions in this
world their approach, which at times may be the only one available,
leaves much to be desired." R. W. Hamming
strabo
2008-03-06 05:19:50 UTC
Permalink
Ed Huntress wrote:
> "strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
> news:***@isp.n...
>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>>
>> Your words, your personal hell.
>>
>> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
>> beliefs.
>
> Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are joining
> him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate racist pigs can't
> be expected to have very much of it.
>
> Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on "social
> grace."
>

That doesn't mean you shouldn't have the grace to admit responsibility.

I'll do this once.

You support and promote an action that involves the confiscation of
Tim May's wealth and distributing it. Tim May resents being forced to
participate.

From Tim May's standpoint it doesn't matter who receives this largess.
He doesn't want to play.

He vents spleen against you and those who get his money and you
criticize him. Why? He's the injured party. If you value social
support programs you would thank Tim May and others who contribute.
But, you avoid his position and attack his manner of emoting. Why?

The principle prejudice here is yours. Tim May is generalizing. With
you it is personal.

Think about it.

Politics is non-theoretical warfare between those who pay versus
those who benefit.



>
> --
> Ed Huntress
>
>
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 05:42:06 UTC
Permalink
"strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
news:***@isp.n...
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>> "strabo" <***@flashlight.net> wrote in message
>> news:***@isp.n...
>>> Ed Huntress wrote:
>>> "Eat shit and die, you stinking racist pig."
>>>
>>> Your words, your personal hell.
>>>
>>> One should have the grace to bear criticism of one's
>>> beliefs.
>>
>> Who are you talking about, Strabo? Tim and the racist pigs who are
>> joining him don't have much grace. On the other hand, degenerate racist
>> pigs can't be expected to have very much of it.
>>
>> Racist degenerates and other social misfits usually aren't big on "social
>> grace."
>>
>
> That doesn't mean you shouldn't have the grace to admit responsibility.
>
> I'll do this once.
>
> You support and promote an action that involves the confiscation of
> Tim May's wealth and distributing it. Tim May resents being forced to
> participate.

What the hell are you talking about? What "action" do I support that
involves Tim May's wealth?

I said nothing about it. I said he's a racist pig for blaming it on
"niggers." What kind of a person can stand by and say nothing when he says
things like that? Do you agree with his racist attitudes, Strabo? Do you let
that kind of talk just slip by without comment, or are you just afraid to
call him on it?

> From Tim May's standpoint it doesn't matter who receives this largess.
> He doesn't want to play.

Tim wants to combine his piggy racist attitudes with his self-congratulatory
attitudes toward his wealth to satisfy his emotional needs to establish his
superiority over other races and less well-off people. That's Tim's modus
operendi, as you should know by now. He's afraid of not being recognized as
a superior person by birthright. Every so often he likes to remind us about,
to get some little emotional lift by saying those stupid things and not
having to answer for them.

Now, Tim is welcome to stroke himself as much as he wants. He is NOT welcome
to promote his stinking racist attitudes.

>
> He vents spleen against you and those who get his money and you
> criticize him. Why?

Because he's a racist pig. He doesn't vent much spleen against me anymore,
except indirectly.

> He's the injured party.

He's the racist pig. Nobody has injured him. Do you know how he made his
money? Tim is not injured. Time got into something and out of it at the
right time. Good for him. But there's no need to feel sorry for him. He's
doing fine.

> If you value social
> support programs you would thank Tim May and others who contribute.
> But, you avoid his position and attack his manner of emoting. Why?

Because he's a racist pig.

>
> The principle prejudice here is yours. Tim May is generalizing. With
> you it is personal.

I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
anything except fertilizer.

>
> Think about it.

It's time for you to regain your sanity, or your balls, Strabo.

--
Ed Huntress
d***@yahoo.com
2008-03-09 04:54:03 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 5, 9:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> I said nothing about it. I said he's a racist pig for blaming it
on
> "n*******." What kind of a person can stand by and say nothing when he says
> things like that? Do you agree with his racist attitudes, Strabo? Do you let
> that kind of talk just slip by without comment, or are you just afraid to
> call him on it?
>
> Tim wants to combine his piggy racist attitudes with his self-congratulatory
> attitudes toward his wealth to satisfy his emotional needs to establish his
> superiority over other races and less well-off people. That's Tim's modus
> operendi, as you should know by now. He's afraid of not being recognized as
> a superior person by birthright. Every so often he likes to remind us about,
> to get some little emotional lift by saying those stupid things and not
> having to answer for them.
>
> Now, Tim is welcome to stroke himself as much as he wants. He is NOT welcome
> to promote his stinking racist attitudes.
>
>
> Because he's a racist pig. He doesn't vent much spleen against me anymore,
> except indirectly.
>
> > He's the injured party.
>
> He's the racist pig. Nobody has injured him. Do you know how he made his
> money? Tim is not injured. Time got into something and out of it at the
> right time. Good for him. But there's no need to feel sorry for him. He's
> doing fine.
>
> > If you value social
> > support programs you would thank Tim May and others who contribute.
> > But, you avoid his position and attack his manner of emoting. Why?
>
> Because he's a racist pig.
>
> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
> anything except fertilizer.
>
>
> It's time for you to regain your sanity, or your balls, Strabo.
>
> --
> Ed Huntress

I doubt Tim is any more racist than anyone else. As a bachelor degree
physicist, he may be looking for a gratifying Unified Theory of cause
and effect. When he uses a pejorative word like the 'n' word, this is
maybe what he sees. The effect and cause of someone's race and
behavior are one.

Tim has a problem mis-applying this same Grand Unified theory over the
issue of artificially created haves vs. have-nots. Tim is a college
graduate in denial. In the U.S. work force of 20-25% college
graduates, he denies being or having been in competition with the
remaining 75-80% for the lion's share of society's wealth. He would
have gotten nowhere without his preferential treatment by the
University of California.

One would wonder whether he would get admitted there by today's
standards after having used the 'n' word so many times on the Usenet.
Ed Huntress
2008-03-09 17:49:36 UTC
Permalink
<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2565b473-448a-4176-bdcc-***@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 5, 9:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> > I said nothing about it. I said he's a racist pig for blaming it
> on
>> "n*******." What kind of a person can stand by and say nothing when he
>> says
>> things like that? Do you agree with his racist attitudes, Strabo? Do you
>> let
>> that kind of talk just slip by without comment, or are you just afraid to
>> call him on it?
>>
>> Tim wants to combine his piggy racist attitudes with his
>> self-congratulatory
>> attitudes toward his wealth to satisfy his emotional needs to establish
>> his
>> superiority over other races and less well-off people. That's Tim's modus
>> operendi, as you should know by now. He's afraid of not being recognized
>> as
>> a superior person by birthright. Every so often he likes to remind us
>> about,
>> to get some little emotional lift by saying those stupid things and not
>> having to answer for them.
>>
>> Now, Tim is welcome to stroke himself as much as he wants. He is NOT
>> welcome
>> to promote his stinking racist attitudes.
>>
>>
>> Because he's a racist pig. He doesn't vent much spleen against me
>> anymore,
>> except indirectly.
>>
>> > He's the injured party.
>>
>> He's the racist pig. Nobody has injured him. Do you know how he made his
>> money? Tim is not injured. Time got into something and out of it at the
>> right time. Good for him. But there's no need to feel sorry for him. He's
>> doing fine.
>>
>> > If you value social
>> > support programs you would thank Tim May and others who contribute.
>> > But, you avoid his position and attack his manner of emoting. Why?
>>
>> Because he's a racist pig.
>>
>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>> anything except fertilizer.
>>
>>
>> It's time for you to regain your sanity, or your balls, Strabo.
>>
>> --
>> Ed Huntress
>
> I doubt Tim is any more racist than anyone else.

You're out of your mind.

--
Ed Huntress
d***@yahoo.com
2008-03-10 01:26:39 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 9, 10:49 am, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 9:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> >  > I said nothing about it. I said he's a racist pig for blaming it
> > on
> >> "n*******." What kind of a person can stand by and say nothing when he
> >> says
> >> things like that? Do you agree with his racist attitudes, Strabo? Do you
> >> let
> >> that kind of talk just slip by without comment, or are you just afraid to
> >> call him on it?
>
> >> Tim wants to combine his piggy racist attitudes with his
> >> self-congratulatory
> >> attitudes toward his wealth to satisfy his emotional needs to establish
> >> his
> >> superiority over other races and less well-off people. That's Tim's modus
> >> operendi, as you should know by now. He's afraid of not being recognized
> >> as
> >> a superior person by birthright. Every so often he likes to remind us
> >> about,
> >> to get some little emotional lift by saying those stupid things and not
> >> having to answer for them.
>
> >> Now, Tim is welcome to stroke himself as much as he wants. He is NOT
> >> welcome
> >> to promote his stinking racist attitudes.
>
> >> Because he's a racist pig. He doesn't vent much spleen against me
> >> anymore,
> >> except indirectly.
>
> >> >  He's the injured party.
>
> >> He's the racist pig. Nobody has injured him. Do you know how he made his
> >> money? Tim is not injured. Time got into something and out of it at the
> >> right time. Good for him. But there's no need to feel sorry for him. He's
> >> doing fine.
>
> >> > If you value social
> >> > support programs you would thank Tim May and others who contribute.
> >> > But, you avoid his position and attack his manner of emoting. Why?
>
> >> Because he's a racist pig.
>
> >> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
> >> anything except fertilizer.
>
> >> It's time for you to regain your sanity, or your balls, Strabo.
>
> >> --
> >> Ed Huntress
>

I (dhm) wrote:

> > I doubt Tim is any more racist than anyone else.
>

Ed Huntress wrote:

> You're out of your mind.
>

I just want to clarify here who said what because your posting
attributions are easily confused.
It appears that you are "out of your mind" with all your "racist pig"
name calling against Tim.

Human differences are a fact of life. Deal with it.

d.
Ed Huntress
2008-03-10 02:00:38 UTC
Permalink
<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cbe01bd7-da3d-420d-86a9-***@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 9, 10:49 am, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 9:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> > > I said nothing about it. I said he's a racist pig for blaming it
> > on
> >> "n*******." What kind of a person can stand by and say nothing when he
> >> says
> >> things like that? Do you agree with his racist attitudes, Strabo? Do
> >> you
> >> let
> >> that kind of talk just slip by without comment, or are you just afraid
> >> to
> >> call him on it?
>
> >> Tim wants to combine his piggy racist attitudes with his
> >> self-congratulatory
> >> attitudes toward his wealth to satisfy his emotional needs to establish
> >> his
> >> superiority over other races and less well-off people. That's Tim's
> >> modus
> >> operendi, as you should know by now. He's afraid of not being
> >> recognized
> >> as
> >> a superior person by birthright. Every so often he likes to remind us
> >> about,
> >> to get some little emotional lift by saying those stupid things and not
> >> having to answer for them.
>
> >> Now, Tim is welcome to stroke himself as much as he wants. He is NOT
> >> welcome
> >> to promote his stinking racist attitudes.
>
> >> Because he's a racist pig. He doesn't vent much spleen against me
> >> anymore,
> >> except indirectly.
>
> >> > He's the injured party.
>
> >> He's the racist pig. Nobody has injured him. Do you know how he made
> >> his
> >> money? Tim is not injured. Time got into something and out of it at the
> >> right time. Good for him. But there's no need to feel sorry for him.
> >> He's
> >> doing fine.
>
> >> > If you value social
> >> > support programs you would thank Tim May and others who contribute.
> >> > But, you avoid his position and attack his manner of emoting. Why?
>
> >> Because he's a racist pig.
>
> >> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
> >> anything except fertilizer.
>
> >> It's time for you to regain your sanity, or your balls, Strabo.
>
> >> --
> >> Ed Huntress
>

I (dhm) wrote:

> > I doubt Tim is any more racist than anyone else.
>

> Ed Huntress wrote:

> You're out of your mind.
>

> I just want to clarify here who said what because your posting
> attributions are easily confused.
> It appears that you are "out of your mind" with all your "racist pig"
> name calling against Tim.

> Human differences are a fact of life. Deal with it.

Listen up, you stupid ass. Tim is just using his "argument" as a cover, to
give him an opportunity to push his racial hatred by suckering in some
dimwits like you who will play along with his game. He's trolled you up so
he can keep using words like "nigger" and "dirt people," with you as a cover
to give his racial hatred (and fear) legitimacy. As long as you don't
object, and as long as you treat him as if he has something worthwhile to
say, you're keeping his drag loose and his line tight.

You're either the biggest sucker on Usenet or you're a stinking racist pig
yourself. Either way, get lost.

--
Ed Huntress
Steve Thompson
2008-03-10 02:00:19 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 06:26:39PM -0700, ***@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >> Because he's a racist pig.
> >
> > >> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
> > >> anything except fertilizer.
> >
> > >> It's time for you to regain your sanity, or your balls, Strabo.
> >
> > >> --
> > >> Ed Huntress
> >
>
> I (dhm) wrote:
>
> > > I doubt Tim is any more racist than anyone else.
> >
>
> Ed Huntress wrote:
>
> > You're out of your mind.
> >
>
> I just want to clarify here who said what because your posting
> attributions are easily confused.
> It appears that you are "out of your mind" with all your "racist pig"
> name calling against Tim.
>
> Human differences are a fact of life. Deal with it.

Is that official? That is, do we have a rule that states anyone who calls
Tim bad names is out of his mind?


Regards,

Steve

--
Why are you so bloody thick in the head?
N***@excite.de
2008-03-10 18:52:26 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
> anything except fertilizer.

> Ed Huntress

Pity that.

The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
borders.

Huntress thinks that okay.

Nathan
BostonBlackie©
2008-03-10 19:29:49 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
***@excite.de employed an infinite number of monkeys
on an infinite number of typewriter to say:

>On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>> anything except fertilizer.
>
>> Ed Huntress
>
>Pity that.
>
>The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
>to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
>Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
>borders.
>
>Huntress thinks that okay.
>
>Nathan

Wow, I didn't realize that France has problems like that. They
probably deserve it.
--
Boston Blackie©
mhm 29x8

"Enemy to those who make him an enemy. Friend to those who have no
friend."
--from the intro to the Boston Blackie radio show (1945)

"You don't have to be a member of the KKK to be a wizard under the sheets"

Proud member of the I am Spooge lits
Nicholas
2008-03-10 20:26:19 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:29:49 -0500, BostonBlackie©
<***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
>***@excite.de employed an infinite number of monkeys
>on an infinite number of typewriter to say:
>
>>On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>>> anything except fertilizer.
>>
>>> Ed Huntress
>>
>>Pity that.
>>
>>The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
>>to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
>>Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
>>borders.
>>
>>Huntress thinks that okay.
>>
>>Nathan
>
>Wow, I didn't realize that France has problems like that. They
>probably deserve it.

Blackie, .de is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the
Federal Republic of Germany

Don't leave the house without Adult Supervision

Nicholas
BostonBlackie©
2008-03-10 21:05:00 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:26:19 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
typewriter to say:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:29:49 -0500, BostonBlackie©
><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
>>***@excite.de employed an infinite number of monkeys
>>on an infinite number of typewriter to say:
>>
>>>On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>>>> anything except fertilizer.
>>>
>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>
>>>Pity that.
>>>
>>>The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
>>>to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
>>>Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
>>>borders.
>>>
>>>Huntress thinks that okay.
>>>
>>>Nathan
>>
>>Wow, I didn't realize that France has problems like that. They
>>probably deserve it.
>
>Blackie, .de is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the
>Federal Republic of Germany
>
>Don't leave the house without Adult Supervision
>
Wow, I'm impressed. Did you happen to notice where the IP address is
located, nipplechips?

--
Boston Blackie©
mhm 29x8

"Enemy to those who make him an enemy. Friend to those who have no
friend."
--from the intro to the Boston Blackie radio show (1945)

"You don't have to be a member of the KKK to be a wizard under the sheets"

Proud member of the I am Spooge lits
Nicholas
2008-03-10 22:29:16 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:05:00 -0500, BostonBlackie©
<***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:26:19 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>typewriter to say:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:29:49 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
>>>***@excite.de employed an infinite number of monkeys
>>>on an infinite number of typewriter to say:
>>>
>>>>On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>>>>> anything except fertilizer.
>>>>
>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>
>>>>Pity that.
>>>>
>>>>The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
>>>>to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
>>>>Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
>>>>borders.
>>>>
>>>>Huntress thinks that okay.
>>>>
>>>>Nathan
>>>
>>>Wow, I didn't realize that France has problems like that. They
>>>probably deserve it.
>>
>>Blackie, .de is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the
>>Federal Republic of Germany
>>
>>Don't leave the house without Adult Supervision
>>
>Wow, I'm impressed.

Good.
BostonBlackie©
2008-03-10 22:39:40 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:29:16 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
typewriter to say:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:05:00 -0500, BostonBlackie©
><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:26:19 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>typewriter to say:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:29:49 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>***@excite.de employed an infinite number of monkeys
>>>>on an infinite number of typewriter to say:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>>>>>> anything except fertilizer.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>
>>>>>Pity that.
>>>>>
>>>>>The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
>>>>>to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
>>>>>Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
>>>>>borders.
>>>>>
>>>>>Huntress thinks that okay.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nathan
>>>>
>>>>Wow, I didn't realize that France has problems like that. They
>>>>probably deserve it.
>>>
>>>Blackie, .de is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the
>>>Federal Republic of Germany
>>>
>>>Don't leave the house without Adult Supervision
>>>
>>Wow, I'm impressed.
>
>Good.
>
Nice snip and run, coward. Are you related to Gunner?
--
Boston Blackie©
mhm 29x8

"Enemy to those who make him an enemy. Friend to those who have no
friend."
--from the intro to the Boston Blackie radio show (1945)

"You don't have to be a member of the KKK to be a wizard under the sheets"

Proud member of the I am Spooge lits
Nicholas
2008-03-10 23:40:21 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:39:40 -0500, BostonBlackie©
<***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:29:16 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>typewriter to say:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:05:00 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:26:19 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>>typewriter to say:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:29:49 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>>>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>***@excite.de employed an infinite number of monkeys
>>>>>on an infinite number of typewriter to say:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>>>>>>> anything except fertilizer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pity that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
>>>>>>to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
>>>>>>Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
>>>>>>borders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Huntress thinks that okay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>>Wow, I didn't realize that France has problems like that. They
>>>>>probably deserve it.
>>>>
>>>>Blackie, .de is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the
>>>>Federal Republic of Germany
>>>>
>>>>Don't leave the house without Adult Supervision
>>>>
>>>Wow, I'm impressed.
>>
>>Good.
>>
>Nice snip and run, coward. Are you related to Gunner?

Fuck you black bastard. Go suck on some moose cock.
BostonBlackie©
2008-03-10 23:46:45 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:40:21 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
typewriter to say:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:39:40 -0500, BostonBlackie©
><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:29:16 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>typewriter to say:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:05:00 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:26:19 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>>>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>>>typewriter to say:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:29:49 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>>>>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 11:52:26 -0700 (PDT),
>>>>>>***@excite.de employed an infinite number of monkeys
>>>>>>on an infinite number of typewriter to say:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>>>>>>>> anything except fertilizer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed Huntress
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Pity that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
>>>>>>>to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
>>>>>>>Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
>>>>>>>borders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Huntress thinks that okay.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nathan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow, I didn't realize that France has problems like that. They
>>>>>>probably deserve it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Blackie, .de is the country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for the
>>>>>Federal Republic of Germany
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't leave the house without Adult Supervision
>>>>>
>>>>Wow, I'm impressed.
>>>
>>>Good.
>>>
>>Nice snip and run, coward. Are you related to Gunner?
>
>Fuck you black bastard.

I didn't mean to hurt your feelings, spanky. Oh, BTW, I'm not black
or located in Boston.

>Go suck on some moose cock.

You and your racist scum kind already have made the line too long.
I'll pass.
--
Boston Blackie©
mhm 29x8

"Enemy to those who make him an enemy. Friend to those who have no
friend."
--from the intro to the Boston Blackie radio show (1945)

"You don't have to be a member of the KKK to be a wizard under the sheets"

Proud member of the I am Spooge lits
Nicholas
2008-03-10 23:59:09 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:46:45 -0500, BostonBlackie©
<***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:

>Proud member of the I am Spooge

I'm glad you realize it.
BostonBlackie©
2008-03-11 00:05:36 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:59:09 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
typewriter to say:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:46:45 -0500, BostonBlackie©
><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>
>>You know, I just had an epiphany that you might be a racist scum coward.
>
>I'm glad you realize it.

Thanks for the admission, snip-and-run coward.
--
Boston Blackie©
mhm 29x8

"Enemy to those who make him an enemy. Friend to those who have no
friend."
--from the intro to the Boston Blackie radio show (1945)

"You don't have to be a member of the KKK to be a wizard under the sheets"

Proud member of the I am Spooge lits
Nicholas
2008-03-11 00:19:34 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:05:36 -0500, BostonBlackie©
<***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:59:09 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>typewriter to say:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:46:45 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>
>>>You know, I just had an epiphany that you might be a racist scum coward.
>>
>>I'm glad you realize it.
>
>Thanks for the admission, snip-and-run coward.

Run? did you say run? I'm still here. You never were.
BostonBlackie©
2008-03-11 12:03:29 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:19:34 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
typewriter to say:

>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:05:36 -0500, BostonBlackie©
><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:59:09 -0500, Nicholas <***@nowhere.net>
>>employed an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of
>>typewriter to say:
>>
>>>On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:46:45 -0500, BostonBlackie©
>>><***@hell-flame-wars.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You know, I just had an epiphany that you might be a racist scum coward.
>>>
>>>I'm glad you realize it.
>>
>>Thanks for the admission, snip-and-run coward.
>
>Run? did you say run? I'm still here. You never were.

Comprehension problems too, I see. No surprise, really.
--
Boston Blackie©
mhm 29x8

"Enemy to those who make him an enemy. Friend to those who have no
friend."
--from the intro to the Boston Blackie radio show (1945)

"You don't have to be a member of the KKK to be a wizard under the sheets"

Proud member of the I am Spooge lits
Ed Huntress
2008-03-11 02:18:13 UTC
Permalink
<***@excite.de> wrote in message
news:b370a2fe-5503-4fa1-8b90-***@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 5, 10:42 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>> I'm deeply prejudiced against racist pigs. I think they're unfit for
>> anything except fertilizer.
>
>> Ed Huntress
>
> Pity that.
>
> The jews, and their pets the niggers and mexcrement, are trying
> to destroy this country with enormous welfare programs.
> Niggers breeding niggers and mexcrement flowing over our
> borders.
>
> Huntress thinks that okay.
>
> Nathan

What's to worry about? YOU'RE the one they're after. 'Better keep your guns
loaded, Nathan. They're coming over the hill any day now.

--
Ed Huntress
d***@yahoo.com
2008-03-06 04:06:42 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 5, 8:51 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
>
> I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
> taxed at higher and higher rates
>

Nope. You got your money relatively cheap. So cheap it is like all
you have to pay is the time to write an occasional check or spend a
few minutes at an ATM or a checkout lane. So you really don't pay
very much even when they tax you at a higher rate. So you don't get
that extra motorcycle or cabin cruiser. So what?

For the rest of us, the last $20 we have in our pockets is the product
of a life of suffering the discrimination from the rich.

Paypal was your friend.
Tim May
2008-03-06 04:18:35 UTC
Permalink
In article
<c4862484-51c7-4008-a3bb-***@e31g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Mar 5, 8:51 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
> > taxed at higher and higher rates
> >
>
> Nope. You got your money relatively cheap. So cheap it is like all
> you have to pay is the time to write an occasional check or spend a
> few minutes at an ATM or a checkout lane. So you really don't pay
> very much even when they tax you at a higher rate. So you don't get
> that extra motorcycle or cabin cruiser. So what?
>
> For the rest of us, the last $20 we have in our pockets is the product
> of a life of suffering the discrimination from the rich.

When you are down to your last $20, the end of another bum is getting
real close. Of course, though you complain often about being down to
your last $20, you never seem to actually starve. Too many ways to
steal money from taxpayers such as myself.

You should move to Havana. They love having Americans "defecting" to
their Worker's Paradise.

And you should have no problem getting in, as the patrol boats and
armed guards are to keep the workers from leaving their Paradise.

(Of course, when they find you have only a few hundred bucks, and no
more, and that you plan to sponge off of them, expect a one-way ticket
to the cane fields, Dan.)


--Tim May
d***@yahoo.com
2008-03-06 04:45:59 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 5, 8:18 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> In article
> <c4862484-51c7-4008-a3bb-***@e31g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 8:51 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> > > I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
> > > taxed at higher and higher rates
>
> > Nope. You got your money relatively cheap. So cheap it is like all
> > you have to pay is the time to write an occasional check or spend a
> > few minutes at an ATM or a checkout lane. So you really don't pay
> > very much even when they tax you at a higher rate. So you don't get
> > that extra motorcycle or cabin cruiser. So what?
>
> > For the rest of us, the last $20 we have in our pockets is the product
> > of a life of suffering the discrimination from the rich.
>
> When you are down to your last $20, the end of another bum is getting
> real close. Of course, though you complain often about being down to
> your last $20, you never seem to actually starve. Too many ways to
> steal money from taxpayers such as myself.
>
> You should move to Havana. They love having Americans "defecting" to
> their Worker's Paradise.
>
> And you should have no problem getting in, as the patrol boats and
> armed guards are to keep the workers from leaving their Paradise.
>
> (Of course, when they find you have only a few hundred bucks, and no
> more, and that you plan to sponge off of them, expect a one-way ticket
> to the cane fields, Dan.)
>
> --Tim May

There's more than a grain of truth to this.

The problem is the Americans are so stupid for keeping me poor.

What life seems to be about is whenever there's a pot of gold, people
will grab for it. Wherever there is a golden goose, people will try
to kill it.

I'm genuinely not impressed with Jeff's wisdom about poverty. He
feels that a person's sense of responsibility comes before getting
rich. It's obvious to me that if you don't have money, nobody is
going to trust you with any substantial responsibility regardless of
your character.

I think it's obvious to both of us that we are very much alike
regardless of our differing financial situations.
d***@yahoo.com
2008-03-06 05:06:34 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 5, 8:45 pm, ***@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 5, 8:18 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <c4862484-51c7-4008-a3bb-***@e31g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Mar 5, 8:51 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> > > > I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
> > > > taxed at higher and higher rates
>
> > > Nope. You got your money relatively cheap. So cheap it is like all
> > > you have to pay is the time to write an occasional check or spend a
> > > few minutes at an ATM or a checkout lane. So you really don't pay
> > > very much even when they tax you at a higher rate. So you don't get
> > > that extra motorcycle or cabin cruiser. So what?
>
> > > For the rest of us, the last $20 we have in our pockets is the product
> > > of a life of suffering the discrimination from the rich.
>
> > When you are down to your last $20, the end of another bum is getting
> > real close. Of course, though you complain often about being down to
> > your last $20, you never seem to actually starve. Too many ways to
> > steal money from taxpayers such as myself.
>
> > You should move to Havana. They love having Americans "defecting" to
> > their Worker's Paradise.
>
> > And you should have no problem getting in, as the patrol boats and
> > armed guards are to keep the workers from leaving their Paradise.
>
> > (Of course, when they find you have only a few hundred bucks, and no
> > more, and that you plan to sponge off of them, expect a one-way ticket
> > to the cane fields, Dan.)
>
> > --Tim May
>
> There's more than a grain of truth to this.
>
> The problem is the Americans are so stupid for keeping me poor.
>
> What life seems to be about is whenever there's a pot of gold, people
> will grab for it. Wherever there is a golden goose, people will try
> to kill it.
>
> I'm genuinely not impressed with Jeff's wisdom about poverty. He
> feels that a person's sense of responsibility comes before getting
> rich. It's obvious to me that if you don't have money, nobody is
> going to trust you with any substantial responsibility regardless of
> your character.
>
> I think it's obvious to both of us that we are very much alike
> regardless of our differing financial situations.

that is, me and Tim are very much like each other. Not me and Jeff.
Jeff Liebermann
2008-03-06 05:22:54 UTC
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***@yahoo.com hath wroth:

>I'm genuinely not impressed with Jeff's wisdom about poverty.

I know nothing about poverty. All I know is what's required to avoid
poverty. You're not required to be impressed in order to understand
how it works.

>He
>feels that a person's sense of responsibility comes before getting
>rich.

I don't "feel" anything. I have opinions, theories, facts, and
experience. Those translate into dollars which I use to keep myself
amused. Nobody ever paid me a dime for how I "feel".

Think of it this way.... What can you do to make me money? If I pay
you X dollars, I would expect to make at least X dollars in profit
from your activities. If you cost me more money than I can make from
your efforts, I'm wasting my money and won't bother. How you feel and
how "responsible" you appear is of little interest.

>It's obvious to me that if you don't have money, nobody is
>going to trust you with any substantial responsibility regardless of
>your character.

Yeah, that's about it. Let me know when you can pass a simple credit
check and we'll talk about "trust". Let me know when you can
demonstrate paying off an installment loan, and we'll talk about
"responsibility".

>I think it's obvious to both of us that we are very much alike
>regardless of our differing financial situations.

I think we have different ideas of what constitutes "obvious".

--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
strabo
2008-03-06 05:32:47 UTC
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***@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Mar 5, 8:51 pm, Tim May <***@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>>
>> I also pay for my retirement, my own medical coverage. And yet I am
>> taxed at higher and higher rates
>>
>
> Nope. You got your money relatively cheap. So cheap it is like all
> you have to pay is the time to write an occasional check or spend a
> few minutes at an ATM or a checkout lane. So you really don't pay
> very much even when they tax you at a higher rate. So you don't get
> that extra motorcycle or cabin cruiser. So what?
>

So you believe money grows on trees.

What are you going to do when digital cash and paper money is devalued
60-80%?

When his million drops in purchasing power to 40-50 thousand what are
you going to do when his money is gone?

You're going to learn a lot over the next 5-10 years.


>
> For the rest of us, the last $20 we have in our pockets is the product
> of a life of suffering the discrimination from the rich.
>

A perpetual victim.



> Paypal was your friend.
F. George McDuffee
2008-03-05 23:07:17 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:25:04 -0800 (PST),
***@excite.de wrote:
<snip>
>My thought is that if we didn't have to pay all expenses of niggers
>and
>Mexcrement we'd be in a lot better shape.
<snip>
=============
While these are the most apparent and visible "problems," in many
urban areas, you should be aware that in total their debts are a
"drop in the ocean," and your attention is being diverted so your
pockets can continue to be picked [and your other assets
stripped].

The major current economic difficulties appear to be due to a
combination of tax evasion at the high-end by the trans-national
corporations and international "citizens," while demanding every
higher levels of governmental services, contracts for their
corporations, tax exemptions, tax reductions, etc., in
combination with unbelievable levels of fraud and theft in the
financial sector, including pension funds, derivatives, market
manipulation, etc.

One example of this is the transfer of retiree medical coverage
by GM, Ford, and Chrysler from their promised benefits [at their
cost] onto the Medicare program, thus saving them hundreds of
billions of dollars at the tax payers expense, while "stiffing"
the retirees because of higher co-pays, reduced benefits, etc.

When [not if] the "big three" terminate their [non-executive]
pension programs, this cost will also become the taxpayers burden
through the PBGC, while many retirees will take a large cut in
payments. This will add additional hundreds of billions directly
or indirectly to the Federal debt.

Other than a few collaborators and quislings, commonly referred
to as "poverty pimps," the bottom socio-economic strata has
nothing to do with these problems, beyond supplying the votes to
keep a *FEW* boodling politicians in office. It should be noted
than the operative word is "few" and by far the more crooked [and
damaging] politicians come from the affluent areas.

You are correct to be concerned the slowly exploding debt bomb,
but need identify the major crooks and the real causes to make a
difference. Do not expect that either political party will
"cure" the situation, as they are both responsible, while their
major contributors continue to amass riches.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).
Ed Huntress
2008-03-05 23:28:46 UTC
Permalink
"F. George McDuffee" <***@mcduffee-associates.us> wrote in message
news:***@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:25:04 -0800 (PST),
> ***@excite.de wrote:
> <snip>
>>My thought is that if we didn't have to pay all expenses of niggers
>>and
>>Mexcrement we'd be in a lot better shape.
> <snip>
> =============
> While these are the most apparent and visible "problems," in many
> urban areas, you should be aware that in total their debts are a
> "drop in the ocean," and your attention is being diverted so your
> pockets can continue to be picked [and your other assets
> stripped].
>
> The major current economic difficulties appear to be due to a
> combination of tax evasion at the high-end by the trans-national
> corporations and international "citizens," while demanding every
> higher levels of governmental services, contracts for their
> corporations, tax exemptions, tax reductions, etc., in
> combination with unbelievable levels of fraud and theft in the
> financial sector, including pension funds, derivatives, market
> manipulation, etc.
>
> One example of this is the transfer of retiree medical coverage
> by GM, Ford, and Chrysler from their promised benefits [at their
> cost] onto the Medicare program, thus saving them hundreds of
> billions of dollars at the tax payers expense, while "stiffing"
> the retirees because of higher co-pays, reduced benefits, etc.
>
> When [not if] the "big three" terminate their [non-executive]
> pension programs, this cost will also become the taxpayers burden
> through the PBGC, while many retirees will take a large cut in
> payments. This will add additional hundreds of billions directly
> or indirectly to the Federal debt.
>
> Other than a few collaborators and quislings, commonly referred
> to as "poverty pimps," the bottom socio-economic strata has
> nothing to do with these problems, beyond supplying the votes to
> keep a *FEW* boodling politicians in office. It should be noted
> than the operative word is "few" and by far the more crooked [and
> damaging] politicians come from the affluent areas.
>
> You are correct to be concerned the slowly exploding debt bomb,
> but need identify the major crooks and the real causes to make a
> difference. Do not expect that either political party will
> "cure" the situation, as they are both responsible, while their
> major contributors continue to amass riches.

Holy shit, George, are you trying to talk sense to this loony-tune?

--
Ed Huntress
t***@yahoo.com.au
2008-03-06 00:23:46 UTC
Permalink
On Mar 5, 3:07 pm, F. George McDuffee <***@mcduffee-
associates.us> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:25:04 -0800 (PST),***@excite.de wrote:
>
> >My thought is that if we didn't have to pay all expenses
> >of niggers and Mexcrement we'd be in a lot better shape.

> You are correct to be concerned the slowly exploding
> debt bomb, but need identify the major crooks and the
> real causes to make a difference.

Corporations have no duty to arrange their affairs so
that they pay more taxes to Moloch in DC. I support
the movement of jobs and industries offshore. This
will give Americans a chance to build new industries
and inventions here.

GM and Ford don't have to provide retiree health care
bennies for their workers. I support all corporations ending
health care coverage, this will ease the yoke of "national"
health care on our shoulders.

Rather than blaming the corporations for shifting costs
to the public, which is their right, you need to ask yourself
"Why am I responsible for the retirement and healthcare
of others?" You're not, and I suspect you know this.

Thomas
Terryc
2008-03-06 07:50:48 UTC
Permalink
***@excite.de wrote:
> Tim May does have a point. The country's unfunded
> liabilities are vast.

which for an economic powerhouse wasn't a problem. The problem is that
the USA is becoming a minor economic powerhouse and has to tighten its belt.
>
> My thought is that if we didn't have to pay all expenses of niggers
> and Mexcrement we'd be in a lot better shape.

Probably chicken shit in the overall numbers.
N***@excite.de
2008-03-06 03:34:43 UTC
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On Mar 5, 6:19 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:

> Like yours, Nathan. You'd do the world a favor by overdosing
> on pills and jumping onto a compost heap. Go for it.

I was driving in South Chicago one day with friends and
noticed a police pileup normally associated with a murder.

There was an African American atop a six story building.
He was threatening to jump. A huge crowd of niggers
were chanting, "Jump! Jump!"

That's when I realized niggers aren't human.

Please tell me more about your experiences in child
molestation, "Ed".

Nathan
Ed Huntress
2008-03-06 03:51:41 UTC
Permalink
<***@excite.de> wrote in message
news:d9927db8-245e-4f03-9bb5-***@u69g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 5, 6:19 pm, "Ed Huntress" <***@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Like yours, Nathan. You'd do the world a favor by overdosing
>> on pills and jumping onto a compost heap. Go for it.
>
> I was driving in South Chicago one day with friends and
> noticed a police pileup normally associated with a murder.
>
> There was an African American atop a six story building.
> He was threatening to jump. A huge crowd of niggers
> were chanting, "Jump! Jump!"

Too bad he didn't jump on your head and kill you, you stinking degenerate.

>
> That's when I realized niggers aren't human.
>
> Please tell me more about your experiences in child
> molestation, "Ed".

Is that how you get your rocks off? It's too late for you to molest me, you
pig. You'll have to go find some little kiddies.

--
Ed Huntress
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